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Old 03-28-2008, 06:13 PM
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Tanja sorry i forgot to first welcome you to the site!

I am Not sure what medication is avalable to you ?can you get anti funguss treatment ?

Due to the time difference with most of us being from England and America it might be a good idea if you can get online first thing Mornings............by that time we should have come up with sugestions to your questions

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there is alot of problems which are linked to mass farming of theses species and this seems similar to the ones i have come across and salt in small doses works better than the comercial tonics as they tend not to use chemicals on the farms as salt cheaper.
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I prefer to use salt, but only as a bath at higher concentrations for certain parasites. I would advise against treating the tank when it is not mature. This will just prolong the filter bacteria. If the Asian farms are using low levels of salt then their is a possibility of salt tolerant pathogens. For fungus on ornamental fish a chemical treatment is the most effective. Usually a single dip treatment is enough.
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completly agree but as and when have imported them in big volumes for shops the small amount of salt tends to keep them alive that little bit longer to follow the treatment with a chemical based product as it is such a shame when u look at the poor quality of these mass farmed fish.
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I would think the salt is constantly in use. This would mean the fish are customed to low salinity. The same for mollies, general consensus is that they need salt. The fish reared in salt tend to fare better with some salt, than those in freshwater.
The fungal infection is a big issue in trout farmers. Malachite green is banned for food fish, the farmers just can not contain the fungus with salt alone.
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at the moment i think i'm going to stick with the salt. one of the two infected ones died overnight, but the other one is still alive. she seems paralyzed though and the fungus seems to have spread. what shocked me about the whole this is how extremely fast it came. it basically came over a period of 24 hours. the white area where the fungus is growing, also spread. i followed the link Robert gave me and i believe she has Columnaris. i do believe my local fish shop has products to cater to the fungus, but i'm not sure whether to use it.
so far i've given them one dose of salt (the site recommenede 2tsp/gallon/day (one in the morning, one in the afternoon)
as mentioned my tank hasn't gone through its first cycle yet. i've had it for 1 week now.

in the interest of the fish (who as we've established) have probably come from a mass breeding site and are probably inbred, who have been placed in large numbers in a new tank (i would say there are about 17 left, and who are probably, due to the fungus, stressed out, would the chemical dip be better? or just attempting the salt treatment.

i had also seperated the fry into their own tank, and they seem to be happy. should i also treat them, because some of them i caught after i had discovered the two sick fish, which means they have possibly also been in contact with them.

so far, no other fish in the main tank seem to be showing the sickness. at least that's a start.
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i wouldnt treat the babys as they are very small ! but your deff done the rite thing separating the 2 ill ones have ypu got a filter in the tank and a heater?
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i would keep the babys on their own and just do little waterchanges dont over feed them and try to keep the water and tank as clean as possable.

your other fish if they show signs of the funguss take them out of the tank .if luck is on your side the healthy fish that you have will survive

I would go with the salt for the time being . this as Dr said will make the cycling take longer but its only been running for a week .........try to understand what a cycle is!

in simple terms a new tank
fish waste and any food in water will produce AMONIA(toxic to fish)
in your filter bacteria in time will convert this Amonia into NITRITE ( Very toxic).
after this another bacteria within your filter will turn this Nitrite into NITRATE. ( only toxic in high levels!)
We water change a matured tank to keep the nitrate levels low.

It can take several weeks to maturre a filter and this is where it will be more difficult for you Tanja

you can make a simple air powerd box filter with some sponge,plastic drinks bottle and airstone!

We all know its Tough to loose your first fish but your fish has one good thing going for them ........

.....they have Tanja and she is trying her best!
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that's sweet robert, thanks.

for the main tank i have a filter, plants.
for the little fry i have a smaller tank with an oxygen pump and a plant as well so that they can hide, plus the plant gives off oxygen.
the thing is i don't have a heater or a lamp.
i'm saving up for a bigger, nicer and fully equiped glass aquarium.
the thing is the climate in singapore is pretty warm, so im not too concerned about the water temperature. i do want to get a tank which has all the lovely gadgets soon. the large plastic tank (about 30 liters) is just make shift so that they can actually swim.

unfortunately the other sick fish died this morning as well. i'm checking every couple of hours now to see if any of the others show signs of discoloration or the fungus growth on their backs.

alright, for now i shall keep pressing ahead with the salt bath treatment. i have found alot of good sites online to help me with that. i hope it will do the trick for the fish.
i cannot thank you guys enough for all the feedback and the help you've given. it may have saved the remaining guppies and their fry.

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Their is no point in removing the ones that now break out with the "disease" as they have all been exposed to it at the market, in the bag and now in the same tank. Just treat the whole tank that they are in including the babies as these have been exposed as well and until you are sure the disease has been eradicated DO NOT PASS ANY FISH ON as this is how epidemics start
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