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Old 05-09-2008, 11:07 PM
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sorry to butt in on thread, i am wanting my picasso, a niger, a foxface, a bicolour angel..a flame angel, a coral beauty, a dwarf lionfish and possibly a regal tang...also would like a small shoal of blue chromis...would that be too much in a 5ft set up? (fish only set up)
right a picasso can grow to 10 inches a regal tang 12 inches a foxface 9 inches a dwarf lionfish 5-6 inches blue chromis over 2 and a half inches
flame angel 4 inch -coral beauty 4 inch and a bicolour angel -5 inches there is a lot of conflicting opinions opinions about bicolour angels being able to be put in a tank with other angels some say fine others say they will fight to the death so have a good read up on them before you decide , going by the sizes these fish could grow to and the size of your tank I would not put more than five out of your selection of 7 and adjust your shoal of chromis according to the size of the fish you select .
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:13 PM
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thanks for that grandad! what about if i ditched the flame angel and coral beauty? the chromis are something i would like to have but not as high up on the list as the others...so what about picasso, niger, foxface, maybe 2 or 3 bicolour angels (if they are ok to be kept together) and dwarf lionfish?...maybe a wrasse of some sort...would that possibly work do you think?
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:14 PM
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where i got the trigger from he was in with tangs and fox faces and seemed fine in there but they where not in a reef coral inviroment lol the chromis and anthias do look nice could i get a shoal is it 1 male to 10 females so i have read are they ok with tangs foxface n triggers
I would either have one or the other, not both. 10 maybe abit too much if you are wanting a few more different types of fish. Its not like a freshwater tank where you can go quite a bit over your stocking capacity with you tank without problems. Its is so easy to make a Marine tank crash and overstocking can contribute to this happening.
Perhaps 5 or 6, it doesn't matter if they look the same as many marine fish can actually change sex. For instance 6 female Anthias, eventually 1 will change into a male and if anything happens to that one then another will take over, so no need to worry about sexing.
Its just you have to weight up your stocking baring in mind that all the fish will grow and you've got to allow space for this to take place. So take things slow. Add new fish weeks/months apart and not too many at once.

But yes they should be fine with Triggers and Foxfaces. Take into consideration that Foxfaces and Tangs produce a big bioload so its best to keep them to a minimum really unless you have very heavy filtration.
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:17 PM
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right a picasso can grow to 10 inches a regal tang 12 inches a foxface 9 inches a dwarf lionfish 5-6 inches blue chromis over 2 and a half inches
flame angel 4 inch -coral beauty 4 inch and a bicolour angel -5 inches there is a lot of conflicting opinions opinions about bicolour angels being able to be put in a tank with other angels some say fine others say they will fight to the death so have a good read up on them before you decide , going by the sizes these fish could grow to and the size of your tank I would not put more than five out of your selection of 7 and adjust your shoal of chromis according to the size of the fish you select .
I managed to get away with a Coral Beauty and Bi-Colour in the same tank but these were introduced at the same time. At a later date tried adding a Cream/Red Sea Angel and they hammered it, it got marine Ich and died. I wouldnt have more then 2. Just a case of getting them at the same time otherwise it could be tricky adding at a later date.

Wouldn't keep the same type of Angels with eachother, probs will result in fighting
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:49 PM
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I managed to get away with a Coral Beauty and Bi-Colour in the same tank but these were introduced at the same time. At a later date tried adding a Cream/Red Sea Angel and they hammered it, it got marine Ich and died. I wouldnt have more then 2. Just a case of getting them at the same time otherwise it could be tricky adding at a later date.

Wouldn't keep the same type of Angels with eachother, probs will result in fighting
I agree with slash you could end up with dead or dying fish , you have only got a five foot tank and I have just upgraded to a six footer with a sumpfrom a five footer to try to get rid of my nitrate problem ( which I have touch wood ) and I only had my wrasse and puffer in there ,so if you are going to overstock you are going to have a complete nightmare trying to control your nitrates , take your time select a fish you really want and wait for your system to catch up with the extra load you have put on it, before you buy your next, to keep these fish alive you have got to have patience , do your tests regularly ,same with water changes they have got to be done regularly . as you get more confident and learn more you should know when to stop buying because that one extra fish could be the last straw that breaks the camels back and could result in you loosing the lot. the most I would put in that tank out of the ones you selected would be your triggers+a foxface1 dwarf angel 1 dwarf lionfish ( not the fu man chu to much hassle to get to eat )and a wrasse ,
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thanks for the advice again, i am quite happy with what you have said, i am not overly bothered about having a really "busy" tank and am quite happy to just have 5 or 6 fish in there....i would rather have 5 or 6 happy healthy vibrant fish than a tank full of unhealthy fish that are barely surviving at best...as long as i can have the triggeers i am happy to be honest lol...the others are mainly fish i have read up on and will add some extra colour and movement (apart from the lionfish, which i have also wanted for years!) i may in all honesty just end up with the triggers and a shoal of some chromis and possibly a dwarf angel of some sort (most likely a bicolour) once i am out of the flat and i am a lot less limited i would really like to invest and look in to maybe a nice 7 or 8ft set up that gives me the scope to get more variety...but as i say as long as i can have the triggers i am happy
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Yeah the Nigers and Blue Throats are really the only 'Reef Safe' Triggers I think. Grandad will be your man in advising you what will mix with them as I have not keep Triggers before.

I haven't had any problems with Foxfaces before. Used to have 3 in the 8ft'er and you can see how many corals are in there and they never bothered with them.

Again Foxes can sometimes be tough to get feeding, hence before I buy any fish I ask the LFS to show me they are feeding and If I'm satisfied then I'll take them. They are quite shy so any agressive feeders tend to put them off, from what I have found. Had 2 Regals that would go crazy when you put food in which would scare them away.
my foxface is avery shy little fish and when I had him he was petrified of his new surroundings, so much so that When I turned the light of, I could see him shaking and changing colour and raising his poisonous spikes up, I wached him for about an hour and got so concerned about him, I turned the light back on and kept it on for three days, until he settled hes fine now .with my triggers I have had in the past I kept a bluethroat trigger in my reeftank and found him to be a very peacefull fish and I kept a niger in my fish only system with a volitan lionfish porcupine puffer,,clown wrasse and lipstick tang .
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thanks for the advice again, i am quite happy with what you have said, i am not overly bothered about having a really "busy" tank and am quite happy to just have 6 or 7 fish in there....i would rather have 5 or 6 happy healthy vibrant fish than a tank full of unhealthy fish that are barely surviving at best...as long as i can have the triggeers i am happy to be honest lol...the others are mainly fish i have read up on and will add some extra colour and movement (apart from the lionfish, which i have also wanted for years!) i may in all honesty just end up with the triggers and a shoal of some chromis and possibly a dwarf angel of some sort (most likely a bicolour) once i am out of the flat and i am a lot less limited i would really like to invest and look in to maybe a nice 7 or 8ft set up that gives me the scope to get more variety...but as i say as long as i can have the triggers i am happy
Top man! I couldn't agree with you more.

Sometimes Triggers and Lionfish are very hard to find compatible peaceful tank mates for. Only thing thats worrying me is Chromis with a Dwarf Lion. Now rule of thumb is, do not put small fish with Lionfish as they will eat anything that will fit in their mouth. Whether this applies with Dwarf Lions too, I'm unsure as I haven't kept Lions before but I'm sure good old Grandad can enlighten us.

But by all means, I've there is another fish you fancy that hasn't been mentioned just stick it on here and we'll help you out. That applies to anything too. Marines can be a hard hobby to get into especially on you own, so any questions at all. Homework is a must.
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Top man! I couldn't agree with you more.

Sometimes Triggers and Lionfish are very hard to find compatible peaceful tank mates for. Only thing thats worrying me is Chromis with a Dwarf Lion. Now rule of thumb is, do not put small fish with Lionfish as they will eat anything that will fit in their mouth. Whether this applies with Dwarf Lions too, I'm unsure as I haven't kept Lions before but I'm sure good old Grandad can enlighten us.

But by all means, I've there is another fish you fancy that hasn't been mentioned just stick it on here and we'll help you out. That applies to anything too. Marines can be a hard hobby to get into especially on you own, so any questions at all. Homework is a must.

you know what! i didnt think of the chromis/lionfish thing lol...i know about them eating anything they can fit in their mouth but didnt really think of it when thinking of fish for the set up....good to know there is good solid and straight talking advice there! lol....mmmm i am going to have a long hard think about it all as i get the tank actualy up and running....although the triggers are a must! lol....the angel i would deffinately like too! so it is a bit of a choice then between a small shoal of smaller active fish...or another "specemin" fish...mmmmmm lol
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Top man! I couldn't agree with you more.

Sometimes Triggers and Lionfish are very hard to find compatible peaceful tank mates for. Only thing thats worrying me is Chromis with a Dwarf Lion. Now rule of thumb is, do not put small fish with Lionfish as they will eat anything that will fit in their mouth. Whether this applies with Dwarf Lions too, I'm unsure as I haven't kept Lions before but I'm sure good old Grandad can enlighten us.

But by all means, I've there is another fish you fancy that hasn't been mentioned just stick it on here and we'll help you out. That applies to anything too. Marines can be a hard hobby to get into especially on you own, so any questions at all. Homework is a must.
if you are going to put small fish in with a lion fish then they could become food for him as he grows bigger a dwarf lionfish does grow to 5 to six inches so its a gamble, a lionfish is a eating machine, and could eat himself to death given the chance , so as long as you are aware of the risk its up to you .
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