Why is the Tosakin more of a mutant than the Broadtail Moor?

For anyone who is interested in UK-bred fancy goldfish, I would recommend the Goldfish Society of Great Britain, or Bristol Aquarists. Almost all breeds are available, but the Bristol Shubunkins and Broadtail Moors are UK specialities.

Plenty of good Ranchu and Lionheads too. All of them are much better than the average available in shops.

Yes, local bred fish are more hardy to our water, certainly within a regional level. Imports tend to be reared in higher stocking densities, therefore parasite burden tends to be high as well. A health cert covers the breeder's establishment but not each individual batch of fish. Give me UK bred fish anytime regardless of quality.

The Tosakin has a joined caudal fin (tail) and to see it try to swim is quite pityful, I have Bubble eyes that swim more gracefully even though the bubbles are the size of the fishes body. If this fish was bred from a pair of veiltails or fantails it would be culled at around three weeks of age without exception, but because a japanese person decided that this was a new breed and as such called it a Tosakin like-minded people purchased it and now want to bring out a standard for the fish. As far as I know only one person in the country has bred these fish and they are a rarity in this country.

All fancy Goldfish are mutants of some form or another, the question is where do you draw the line?

What percentage of offspring turn out to be be like their Toshakin parents?

You see what you have started, hopefully this Toshakin will turn out to be more than a load of tosh

I don't think the Tosakin is a much worse swimmer than some other fancies. I would have to have a good look at some though, maybe at a show.

One breed I am not happy with is the most extreme pearlscales. Many fancy goldfish are round, but some pearlscales are spherical, with short fins and barely able to move. They just get blown around by filter flow and airstones.

I think it is time to draw a line under the whole thread. It could carry on forever with peoples likes and dislikes.

What you see in highly filtered tanks in a local fish store are not English bred and would not exist in the way English bred goldfish are kept and bred, they most certainly would not survive in an out door pool over the summer, never mind a winter.

True. Keeping them in stone-ware bowls not only makes them look better, but also avoids the problems of them getting stuck among ornaments, plastic plants and rocks. The shallow water makes swimbladder problems less likely. I don't know how water quality is maintained, maybe by frequent water changes?

i have never kept a bubble eyed goldfish but have seen some beautiful pictures of them (see Bristol Aquarists Society) but i saw my first live one today in a shop, it's bubbles were the same size as it's body and it seemed to have been weighed down to the bottom of the tank by them so it couldn't move or swim and was for all intent and purposes stuck premanently upside down. i dont know much about them but surely that's not right?

well i have two of them and theve been fine from day 1 and i love the fish

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