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05-10-2008, 11:11 AM
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05-19-2008, 06:53 PM
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5-weeks old now
Showing traditional convict colouring which wasn't really what i was wanting, but will grow them on for a bit more to see if there is any different body shape or colouring to come (other than traditional blue/black convict style)

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05-19-2008, 08:13 PM
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Cracking shots, fair coming on!!
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05-28-2008, 11:03 PM
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Different view points???
Hi
Nice pictures.
I myself prefer breeding pure strain fish and don't really apreciate people effectively breeding hybrids deliberately (not talking to frylover here  )
Don't people realise that the gene pools of hybridised fish are already murky without further tampering  ?
Everyones got their own opinion.
Thanks for reading
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05-28-2008, 11:09 PM
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i hear you, it can stir up a hornets nest!
i also breed some pure strain fish too
i wouldn't sell these, i'll either grow them on, just for me, or use as Feeders.
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06-21-2008, 11:40 AM
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This whole to breed hybrids or not is one issue some people will never agree on.
It's good to remember that cross breeding of certain species can benefit the development. If the good traits from both sides are brought forward to the new species. Of course it can go the other way and the bad traits from both sides can be brought forward.
For example when they mated a donkey with a horse to make a mule. These have been used to good advantage on farms and similar for years.
It's been used in the past to "Breed out" weaknesses.
Also in nature some animals hybridize naturally. Like wolves and dogs they often breed. With similar species it occurs a lot.
I'm against making hybrids when they use any sort of artificial techniques for the breeding. But if two fish choose each other as partners and successfully breed, then they can't be that different anyway.
Would the "anti hybrid" people on here say thats its ok for hybridization to happen in nature? But if it happens naturally in somebody's own aquarium it's wrong?
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06-21-2008, 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterMC
This whole to breed hybrids or not is one issue some people will never agree on.
It's good to remember that cross breeding of certain species can benefit the development. If the good traits from both sides are brought forward to the new species. Of course it can go the other way and the bad traits from both sides can be brought forward.
For example when they mated a donkey with a horse to make a mule. These have been used to good advantage on farms and similar for years.
It's been used in the past to "Breed out" weaknesses.
Also in nature some animals hybridize naturally. Like wolves and dogs they often breed. With similar species it occurs a lot.
I'm against making hybrids when they use any sort of artificial techniques for the breeding. But if two fish choose each other as partners and successfully breed, then they can't be that different anyway.
Would the "anti hybrid" people on here say thats its ok for hybridization to happen in nature? But if it happens naturally in somebody's own aquarium it's wrong?
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If its only pairing up and people aren't deliberatley creating hybrid fish then I haven't got as much of a problem with it, aslong as they make clear that what they are selling are hybrids when they need to sell the young. What I'd rather people do is seperate any hybrid pairs.
You cannot class pairs of different species choosing each other in an aquarium 'natural'. Naturally there'd be far greater choice of males and females, whereas in an aquarium there will be limited or no choice. I'm aware hybridization does occur in nature, but thats exactly where it should occur, not in somebodys tank.
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06-21-2008, 11:52 AM
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strange co-incidence you post, i was going to update this thread last night, then didn't.
I think there was 8 fry that survived altogether, they very much look like just small normal convicts. I am taking the liberty of putting one of them (currently only about 1cm) in my planted community, there's nothing in there it can breed with and i'd like to see it's development.
The other's are still in the small plastic fry tank, the growth has slowed right down, they are all about 1cm to 1.5cm with the traditional blue/black colouring
I've raised hundreds of pure Convict fry in the past and had multiple breedings pairs of convicts.
These fry (half convict, half jellybean) - which i guess makes them 75% convict and 25% parrot in a weird way seem to behave differently than previous pure Convict fry i have had. They are a little aggressive with other (chasing about the fry tank, no damage done though) but show no aggression towards the x3 Guppy Fry i put i there about 3 weeks ago, they completely leave the Guppies alone. This is in contrast to my previous experiences when trying to mix fry temporarily (convict fry would harass, kill and eat guppy fry of same size)
Every single Jellybean (short bodied convict) i've ever had have been less aggressive (including when breeding) as normal convicts. Still a little fiesty and will defend eggs/fry, but generally not as aggressive as normal convicts.
So..... i am thinking that these fry maybe, will be a little less aggressive with other fish, i am going to monitor the one small fry in my community tank and see how he/she learns to interact with all the tetra's, guppies, platies, corydoras etc in that tank.
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07-04-2008, 03:00 PM
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Everybody to their own, in my book. Think the fry look great and its interesting watching them develop through the time of this thread. Any up to date pics?  
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07-04-2008, 04:00 PM
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Hello Nick
They look just like little blue/black convicts now, i will try and get some picture's this weekend.
Although they look 100% Convict at the moment i am still hoping they turn out slightly different, but in either event it's quite nice having baby Convicts about the place, it's been a while
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