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02-04-2006 11:37 by Big Rob	my cichlids are getting bumps under the skin/white patcheson body tail and fins/gasping at surface or sitting in bottom corner . i have used ws3/ stresszyme/melafix/ammolock and full water changes.is there owt else to try.oh after white shows fish only last 3 days
02-04-2006 11:40 by Lexter	slime disease? but if it was melafix should have sorted it?? i would try and increase the aereation as a temp measure not an expert just trying to think what i would do..... i wouldnt use ammolock, have you tested for ammonia? if you put too much different chemicals in prob only gonna make it worse, are they rubbing or flicking????
02-04-2006 11:41 by Lexter	salt?
02-04-2006 11:46 by Big Rob	rubbing flick yes used meds separately .johanis/plecs/cats dont seem to be affected
02-04-2006 12:09 by tony mcculloch	hello rob. having a similar problem myself, white spot, have treated the fish with king british white spot control and then noticed that the fish had become lethargic, allthough they are not gasping for air, they are hovering 2 to 3 inches from the top. you need to add extra oxogine sources as some treatments actually deplete the oxogine levels, which in itself can kill your fish. not lost any myself and keeping my fingers crossed. good luck mate.
02-04-2006 12:22 by Big Rob	got inbuilt filter andfluval 4plus so plenty oxy just wish i could find cure thanks
02-04-2006 12:31 by tony mcculloch	rob, i have an fx5 plus an eheim ecco but still the oxogine levels dropped, have added an air pump this morning and can already see a big difference, the fish have become more active, its only a suggestion.
02-04-2006 12:43 by Ray	Hello Rob,how long has the tank been set up?
02-04-2006 12:47 by Big Rob	2 month ps tony mc i also have lge air curtain along back. all tests are sound ray
02-04-2006 13:15 by tony mcculloch	eSHa EXIT, was a treatment that clownloachlady suggested. said it worked well on her fish, maybe you could try this?
02-04-2006 13:17 by Big Rob	can i get esha at any lfs as we dont stock it
02-04-2006 13:26 by tony mcculloch	you can get it of the net, my lfs dont carry it either, he's going to try get it.
02-04-2006 13:34 by Big Rob	i work at petshop i think my wholesalers might get it .ta tony mac
02-04-2006 13:41 by Lexter	A stab in the dark Big Ron, people on here no far more about disease, but it seems like it might be flukes or something (a parasite), I think Waterlife Sterzain might be an option here..... As for oxygen in the tank, i suggest making sure the Fluval 4 spounge is not clogged, getting the full flow from it and place the nozzel just above or on the water level, therefore getting lots of surface movement, creating oxygen.
02-04-2006 13:46 by Ray	Rob what species are you losing? as you have used different meds I would carbon the tank,as chemicals can interact to form different compounds which can be toxic,at 2 months old the system is still young,dont know the tank size/stock levels but I woud leave it alone just change water weekly and allow it to cycle,also if you are putting non malawi with Johanni aggro could have a part to play with weakened fish.
02-04-2006 13:54 by Big Rob	tank is juwel 400 used 3 matured filters to cycle /fish are tilapia ovalis wot are dying bought at diff places. but i have kribs in without any probs had 4 1 died in tank others still in no illness in them
02-04-2006 14:33 by tony mcculloch	I am not the expert here, and maybe someone like lexter who keeps kribs may put me straight, but as you are talking about kribs and deaths baybe you would like to hear this. my first set up consisted of neons, sail fin mollies, lemon tetras, etc. it was set up for over 12 months and there were no problems. I introduced a small pr of kribs as was told they will live ok in a comunity tank. months later i was losing fish on a daily basis, 27 in total, and no one could understand why, although it soon became clear. was watching tv when i noticed the male krib bomb dive the sail fin mollie and force him into the gravel spinning him and actualy trying to bury him, and that was why i was finding my fish dead, put themon there own and had no more problems. again its worth a bit of consideration?
02-04-2006 15:35 by Big Rob	i will move them but that still leaves leaves the disease.cmon every one help help help /thanks to all replies so far
02-04-2006 16:20 by Ray	Rob I think it is probably the Malawis beating them up,it is risky to put any fish in an african tank with established teritories.
02-04-2006 16:23 by kell	try this site has images and info and various diseases in fish. hth http://www.fishpalace.org/Disease.html
02-04-2006 16:27 by tony mcculloch	well if its oxoginated, the water is fine, you have moved the cribs, theres nothing else you can try except a good treatment for fungus/white spot. I have used white spot control and there appears to be a difference, going to do another water change in a bit and then re-treat again tonight. lexter is right, you need your filters in the correct place to oxoginate the water. hope you manage to sort it, as it is a worrie.
02-04-2006 16:48 by Big Rob	def not whitespot will try fishpalace
02-04-2006 16:56 by Lexter	hey Tony, i know this wasnt the point of your post, but i have laughed myself silly for the last 30 secs reading that the Krib was trying to bury the Molly, even as i type it i am laughing and giggling Am not a Krib expert but, dont think the Kribs will be responsible for cichlid deaths, although i do agree with Tony, they can be nasty, i have guppies in my set up with the Kribs and have to be careful not to put any over fancy-tailed guppies in there, coz they can "disappear" over night. Also I know i dont get as much fry as i should in my livebearer / community tank coz the Kribs get peckish and they are predators at end of the day.
02-04-2006 17:00 by Big Rob	lex can i put kribs in with gups swords sails endlers neons goldplecs etc
02-04-2006 17:04 by Lexter	well from my experience, Guppies ok (but be careful of fancy red tail guppies), sword tails yes, plecs yes, neons (dodgy) and as for endlers, i think it would be a HIGH chance a Krib will munch them I got some lovely beautiful female Kribs who dont bother anyone, but my males can be more boistorous, and i know Kribs vary in their temperament, dpeending on what type of set up they used to, some can be perfect community fish with neons and small tetras and some can be almost Convict Cichlid like and real moody and nasty
02-04-2006 17:05 by Lexter	Big rob, defintly go for Kribs on the smaller side, I got a couple of big ones and thats where i think i lose the odd guppy and lots of fry
02-04-2006 17:07 by Lexter	from what i have seen of male endlers they fit the bill for a Kribs mouth or any other cichlid, they small enough to eat, very colourful and attract attention and docile, not really able to defend themselves etc.... plus they expensive so i wouldnt mix Kribs and endlers, UNLESS you getting just smallish female Kribs then maybe, but would have to watch and if you are mikssing endlers with NO CORPSE or BODY, then you know, It's Krib time, It's not CHICO TIME, but KRIB TIME!!!
02-04-2006 17:12 by Big Rob	but will the rest do, anyway i was given hundreds of gups all sizes mixed in were 7 endlers ta
02-04-2006 20:19 by Big Rob	just found deadun belly appears to have burst from inside if yas are sick of this thread just say and i will give up cos im p d off with this pox
03-04-2006 14:31 by Alan	Have you tried www.fishdoc.co.uk
03-04-2006 17:09 by Big Rob	yes alan thanks

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