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31-08-2006 19:10 by myra1962	we have wild caught malawi s can someone explain to me what f1 means when they talking about the fish please
31-08-2006 19:45 by keith t	f1s are wild caught fish, these are considered the best, but to be honest i wouldnt buy them personally as ive heard they can be difficult to acclimatize to tank conditions. They are supposed to be the best ones to breed from as they are a better quality fish.
31-08-2006 19:53 by anna	f1s are first generation fish from wild parents. wild caught malawis arent hard to acclimitize we stock them t work and never had a problem with them
31-08-2006 20:59 by KOBISKYE	plucked from the wild and flung into a tank,,seems a bit cruel to me
31-08-2006 21:04 by -Rob C-	more cruel chucking a gold fish into a tank sorry kobi had to say it... f1s arent wild fish their parents are wild fish, it means they arent inbred and they are alot better quality and have better colours etc
31-08-2006 21:06 by KOBISKYE	nae worries rob my jardini and this forum are being kept apart lol keith t said... they are wild caught... wild fish should remain wild
31-08-2006 21:25 by -Rob C-	yeh me and anna (how works in a fish shop!) say they arent wild
31-08-2006 22:04 by jigga	i hate to say it but your jardini was most probably wild caught and your tsn's
31-08-2006 22:28 by yanton	wild caught malawis are often better coloured because of natural selective breeding. mating 2 wild fish results in f1 babies. matings between f1 fish gives f2 generation, etc. strangely, a mating between a wild fish and a f1 partner is said to give f0 (f zero) babies. often, tank bred malawis dont have the colours of wild ones, as they are not bred selectively. in the lake, females will only breed with the best coloured males, so the best colours are maintained. in the aquarium, females have limited choice of males, so the colours can degrade over several generations. however, some species like 'Labidochromis caeruleus' do continue to hold colours even if tank bred.
31-08-2006 22:57 by richard hulley	The "F" stands for filial. F1 is the term used to designate that a particular fish is one generation away from the parental generation. F2 is the term used to designate that a particular fish is two generations away from the parental generation. etc etc etc as yanton has quite rightly stated. There is nothing wrong with wild fish in aquariums, no different to feeding live to live fish
31-08-2006 23:13 by KOBISKYE	only having a laugh chill out friends, my fishy friends lolol
31-08-2006 23:21 by richard hulley
01-09-2006 14:14 by myra1962	thanx all for the answer to my f1 s much appreciated
01-09-2006 23:18 by sonia	sorry i know i am a new face here but..... hmmmmm not so sure about Hulley's comment "There is nothing wrong with wild caught fish in aquariums" I am not totally against wild caught fish in tanks, after all, wild caught fish no doubt increase the quality of fish available to us fish keepers. But to say there is "nothing" wrong with it, hmmmmmmm...... how about "catching" a fish out of its river, its happily doing its thing, put it in a plastic bag, transport it 100s or 1000s miles, it ends up in some fish shop, waiting for any old person to buy it, goes from its "home" to a "tank", maybe bought by a 12 year old and his mum, and sold to to the 12 year old by a spotty teenager earning £4 per hour???? and dont tell me this is "rare", wild caught fish can easily end up in completely inappropriate environments. There is plenty "right" and "wrong" with wild caught fish, it depends how LUCKY the fish is.
03-09-2006 15:17 by jess	i do agree Sonia, i think its unfair, not trying to be patronising to anyone on the forum though, its just my opinion. i know if i was the fish i wouldnt like the limited space.
03-09-2006 16:08 by wymcot	If there were no wild caught fish available our hobby would be in "dire straights". I fully agree with not keeping fish that are not suited to an aquarium environment, ie large or endangered species, but how many of you have, or keep Cardinals for example, these are predominantly wild caught due to the difficulty of breeding them in farmed conditions, coupled with the low margins available to the trade. Some wild caught are easier to obtain from, and abundant in the natural environment. I mentioned endangered species, keeping these is acceptable if you are a specialist fish keeper who is working toward sustaining a species, but for the "bofg standard" hobbyist who in the main know nothing about what they are keeping, must be wrong Lets take the the African Rift lakes as an expample, Lake Victoria has been desimate by man by introducing the Nile Perch, wild caughts from this lake are almost unknown so keen hobbyists have to work with badly bred fish which are already available with-in the hobby. Lake Malawi has more species of fish than any other body of fresh water in the world, they are still discovering new species on an almost daily basis and the fish population sustains very large humans populations, so I dont see any problem with exporting these, and thier price dicates only serious hobbyists will buy them. Lake Tanganyika is the the longest lake in the world, and again holds a massive population of fish that sustains people, so again catching fish from this type of environment cant be that wrong The ethics in my view is how we as hobbyists actually keep these fish. If we are going to confine them, surely its only right that we do it correctly and to the nest of our ability and not just for our own egotistical enjoyment. The keeping of large fish is OK in my view, but the vast majority of us could never own an aquarium large enough to keep them correctly, no matter how well we think we look after them OK so I,ve got that off my chest, its over to you guys to disagree as I'm sure a lot will, but lets keep it subject related and no childish interjections
11-09-2006 07:38 by richard hulley	firstly sonia, my name is richard hulley, if we refer to a surname it is either mr,mrs,miss,ms. secondly my comment was correct, there is nothing wrong with wilds in tanks, i do not think a parent would buy a wild for a 12 year, at the price they will be paying for wild malawi in the first place. This debate will always rage on and everyone will always have their own opinion, as you have yours, and as you say you are a newbie on this site which is what we all want, fresh blood and all that. just read the comment from Wymcot and then make your mind up, his wording is spot on. Richard Hulley

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