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| Posted | Neon Tetra's 3 out of 4 dead within 1 week |
| 23-10-2006 22:28 by feastino |
Hello
It would be great to get some expert advice. We have a BiOrb which after a week we put 4 small Guppis in from a friend. After another 4 weeks we went to Southern Aquatics in Christchurch, Hants and bought:- 3 Head & Tail Lights 1 Japonica Shrimp 4 Neon Tetras Before adding the fish I checked the Nitrite & Ammonia levels and both were clear. The PH was about 7.4. On the day after we bought the Neons, one showed signs of sickness and developed fluffy cyst and a bent tail. My wife bought the BiOrb First Aid filter the next day and we watched the first die. By the Saturday 2 more had the disease and were really sick. I took them out when they couldn't swim straight, committing euthanasia as prescribed in various websites. I feel really bad about it now actually and 2 months ago I didn't give Tropical Fish a second thought. Trouble is now we have 1 Neon left, no signs of illness in fact since the other 3 have gone he's swimming arund v energetically. I kinda wonder if he's looking for his mates. I feel bad that he needs other Neon company since I read they are a scholing fish and we should have at least 4 or 5. When I took a sample to the store they said the Nitrite was really high, I,ve carried out 2 water changes since even though my wife says I shouldn't because the BiOrb First Aid instructions say to leave it but I think the fish are happier now. We have a second sachet of something to add on Weds. The store DID NOT mention Neon Tetra disease. OK maybe it's not but I find it strange that the experts avoided that topic making me think that either they're hiding something, or they lack the knowledge. After all, within 5 mins of searching the web I had enough articles to convince me this is a very well known disease. Is it possible that we killed them within a week of getting them? Is it more likely the shop is at fault? I went there this Sat and there was one dead neon in the tank although I couldn't see any with signs of disease. What should my wife do next? She wants to take the 4th back so he can be with friends. But then if they caused this are we sending him to certain death? Thanks for taking time to read this, I know I suffer from the verbals sometimes 
Cheers |
| 23-10-2006 22:31 by KOBISKYE |
keep doing water changes and checking your nitrite/ates once they all settle and the last remaining neon is still alive, buy another shoal from another shop and see how u go, please dont bombard the fish with chemicals |
| 23-10-2006 22:31 by OLD MAN |
is there enoff oxegen in the biorb??
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| 23-10-2006 22:32 by OLD MAN |
i agree with kobiskye about the chemicals. if you do not no what you are adding and what for dont do it!
water changes are best |
| 23-10-2006 22:32 by OLD MAN |
i agree with kobiskye about the chemicals. if you do not no what you are adding and what for dont do it!
water changes are best |
| 23-10-2006 22:33 by OLD MAN |
biorbs arnt v good fullstop!
so maybe adding that many fish in onw go it could not cope? |
| 23-10-2006 22:34 by feastino |
WOW that was the quickest forum respones ever BIG UP to aquarists.
The BiOrb first aid comes with 2 fresh oxygen pellets, so I guess so. One went in on Tuesday. I have only thin range OH tester and Waterlife Ammonia & Nitrite Tests. NOTED not to bombard with Chems ty Kobi. |
| 23-10-2006 22:37 by OLD MAN |
have you got a filter ect in there? |
| 23-10-2006 22:37 by Kell |
neons are a really hard fish to keep alive, I bought 6 once and they started dying within 10mins of going in the tank, I think ph was too high for them, as is your ph, its good that you have 1 alive. I would invest (if you havent allready done so) in test kits, see if your tank has cycled before adding anymore fish. What is the sachet of stuff you have to add, why did you have to add the 1st one. Water changes are a good thing, but you need to see that your tank has cycled 1st also get some live plants in there as well, they will help keeping nitrate down and also help a little bit with ammonia and nitrie.
p.s. Im not sure if its high or low ph that affects neons.  |
| 23-10-2006 22:37 by KOBISKYE |
as i say dont buy anymore fish, keep the single neon and do water changes using water conditioners to remove chlorine etc until all readings r ok, then if the neon is still alive buy more from another store |
| 23-10-2006 22:38 by OLD MAN |
kell, that is wrong neons are easy fish to keep! |
| 23-10-2006 22:39 by KOBISKYE |
kell u not talking to me anymore
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| 23-10-2006 22:40 by OLD MAN |
they live in prety much anything. not hard fish to keep at all. |
| 23-10-2006 22:42 by Kell |
I dont believe that they are, correct ph is needed to keep them healthy. |
| 23-10-2006 22:43 by Kell |
good evening kobiskye, yeah Im talking just not been around much, other things to do.
Hows you and kobi doing, did he get a tooth yet? |
| 23-10-2006 22:45 by OLD MAN |
i have neons in a ph of 6.5 in one tank (discus tank)
and i also have neons in a ph of 7.9. both lots of fish are very very healthy! |
| 23-10-2006 22:45 by KOBISKYE |
go msn dont want to hijack the guys thread
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| 23-10-2006 22:46 by Kell |
Cant tonight mate, going out in a min, maybe speak tomorrow. |
| 23-10-2006 22:47 by feastino |
Me OLD mate, this is for you:-
http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/manufacturers_products_detail.asp?id=16&man=3 Yes to filter Thanks for the info, Saouthern Aquatics have there Neon in a softwater tank, but they said it would be OK if we spent time conditiong them adding a little water at a time over 2 hrs, OK we did 1.45mins. Can I ask couple of Q's? Should I get more Neons because they need to be together? With the articles I've read the cyst is a secondary symptom, the disease which gets into the digestive tract and can recycle to the other fish. I keep coming back to the conclusion that they must have had it before I bought them, and the stress of the move and the water change brought out the Cysts etc. |
| 23-10-2006 22:49 by OLD MAN |
they do need to be together, yes.
but make sure you sort the prob before buying more. if you think it is the shop buy some more from another shop. |
| 23-10-2006 22:50 by OLD MAN |
erm, 12 fish in a 30litre tank?
maybe that is the cauz? dont no tho only a thort. |
| 23-10-2006 22:50 by Kell |
I wouldnt gett anymore fish until you check your water parameters, you want ammonia and nitrite to be zero. Its highly possible that fish already had disease beofre you got them and yes stress would affect them. |
| 23-10-2006 22:51 by feastino |
Yes sounds good advice, TY. We love the Neons, and he seems lonely.
My wife is going in to at least get money back, I wish her luck, they'll probably try to sell her something else. maybe I should aks them for the Money for the first aid filter instead of more fish. |
| 23-10-2006 22:53 by OLD MAN |
i love neons aswel.
look great with cardinal tetras  |
| 23-10-2006 22:55 by feastino |
I have 2 small shrimps, 3 Head & tails, 5 Guppies and now only 1 Neon.
The BiOrb recommends 12 small fish or 3 large fantails. All ours are under 1 inch. The store told me 2 shrimps would be fine because they don't cause really any waste products. We have 4 small live plants in there. We've only fed them v small amounts, 2 or 3 flakes a day. The store has told me to starve them for a week. It's interesting that no-one has mentioned that here yet. |
| 23-10-2006 22:56 by OLD MAN |
I WOULDNT STARVE THEM NOWAY!
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| 23-10-2006 22:59 by feastino |
TY OLD MAN
I get the inflection but now I'm worried. You know I've been given advice from probably the biggest shop in the Bournemouth area, really well known. I'm not doubting your credentials or anything, I hope you've picked up I'm a bit pissed off with this shop, now even more so if you say FEED THEM Must admit feeling guilty that the Guppies & H & T Tetras must be starving |
| 23-10-2006 23:02 by OLD MAN |
I AGREE NOT TO OVER FEED BUT LIKE ANY LIVING THING THEY MUST BE FEED! JUST NEVER FEED TO MUCH. |
| 23-10-2006 23:04 by feastino |
We have some Baby Food, little brown dust, Flakes, Frozen Blood Worm and some Freeze Dried Tubieflex
On 1 night we gave a little pinch of blood worm whcih the guppies ate within a couple of mins, and 3/4 flakes. Another day 2 lumos (sugar cube size) of Tubiflex only. Not planning to do that EV dy. Are we doing OK so far? |
| 23-10-2006 23:11 by OLD MAN |
I WOULD GIVE THEM A SMALL PICH OF FLAKE EVERY DAY, ENOFF THAT THEY EAT IT WITHIN 2/3MINS.
THEN FEED THEM BLOOD WORM ECT AS A TREAT NOW AND AGAIN. SO LONG AS THE FOOD IS ATE YOU WIL HAVE NO PROBS IT IS WHEN UNEATEN FOOD IS LEFT PROBS ARISE. |
| 23-10-2006 23:16 by feastino |
Thanks for the advice.
Michelle read the post and gave them a litte flake which went within 2 mins, in fact I LOVE the way the Head & Tails Lights dart at the food, v entertaining. AND THE NEON's eating bless him. Now I've found this place I'll be back for sure. I'll be looking at this Post still so:- ANYONE ELSE WITH VALUABLE INPUT MUCH APPRECIATED Am left to ponder the advice to STARVE THE FISH from an Aquarist shop....... |
| 23-10-2006 23:19 by OLD MAN |
DO WHAT YOU THINK RIGHT MATE. THEY ARE YOUR LITTLE FISH.
DONT STARVE THEM BUT DO NOT OVER FEED! |
| 24-10-2006 09:50 by von |
The problem with biorbs is they say you can add fish straight away, rubbish, you will still get an ammonia and nitrite spike as it's not fully cycled, neons are not hardy in a non cycled tank. Take your fish back and do some research into tank cycling and which fish are best for your first go, (platies ususally) even better get a traditional tank with a good filter, biorbs are better for goldfish |
| 24-10-2006 10:02 by feastino |
Thanks VON
When you say 'take the fish back' do you mean the single Neon left or more? We didn't add them straight away, 4 tiny Guppies after a week and then waited 6 weeks before adding more. We will persist with the BiOrb. I appreciate what your saying but changing the tank is not really an option, it's want we want. I will check the water regularly and do whatever to save them. All the fish seem really happy today, have to do another water change tonight and tomorrow the second filter should be installed for 1 week and the sachet of Paraticide and tonic. |
| 24-10-2006 10:13 by von |
Personally i would just stick with water changes, i wouldn't add anything if the fish now appear disease free. Buy some dechlorinator it will be much cheaper than the biorb stuff and it does the same job. I had a biorb 60 for a year or so and everything that went in it died, they are death bowls. If you want to keep it then i would take back the neon as it will be unhappy on its own a nd wouldn't add more, get a few platies and see how you go , not yet though wait a while. |
| 24-10-2006 13:20 by jonie |
neon tetra disease |
| 24-10-2006 19:21 by feastino |
Hi VON ty for that
- Jonie
So we think once the water is fine we'll get some Cardinal Tetras. Will these keep the Neon company. I really don't want a stressed and lonely fish. |
| 24-10-2006 20:36 by telboy |
i know this sounds a little silly but do you have a heater in hte biorb? also i wouldnt go for cardinals as they require a much higher temp than other trops |
| 25-10-2006 00:26 by feastino |
Yes to heater and the temp is kept at 26 C
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