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15-11-2006 15:20 by OLD MAN	are these rare fish?
15-11-2006 15:25 by telboy	sorry to butt in old man but blue eyed panaque! are they rare? cos theres 1 on adds geezer wants £1000 for it???
15-11-2006 15:28 by OLD MAN	not too sure mate. just had a list emailed to me some cracking discus on it, see link above
15-11-2006 15:30 by OLD MAN	most strains of discus if they are true show fish fetch over a k..
15-11-2006 15:32 by OLD MAN	is there a pic of it telboy? if you google that name it comes up with a pleco.
15-11-2006 15:36 by OLD MAN	give me a pic . i wana see one
15-11-2006 15:36 by jonie	BLUE EYED PANAQUAE ARE AS RARE AS ROCKIN HORSE SHITE
15-11-2006 15:36 by Bogwoodbruce	Not that rare, not for a £1000
15-11-2006 15:40 by jonie	HERE
15-11-2006 15:40 by jonie	not nice but rare
15-11-2006 15:40 by jonie	well they are kinda nice tho tbh
15-11-2006 15:41 by OLD MAN	o i was expecting a discus.
15-11-2006 15:41 by jonie	lol
15-11-2006 15:41 by OLD MAN	right i swear ino were there is one of them plecos for about 70quid now someone has put a pic up not 100% tho
15-11-2006 15:42 by OLD MAN	what are they worth excatly? cuz if they are worth £1000 im in ma car now and going to have a look
15-11-2006 15:42 by jonie	doubt it
15-11-2006 15:43 by OLD MAN	it defo has blue eyes, do other pleco have blue eyes?
15-11-2006 15:43 by jonie	doubt there worth that much unless there adult wild or something 300 is about right
15-11-2006 15:43 by OLD MAN	i remember the blue eyes because my g/f pointed them out.
15-11-2006 15:43 by jonie	ask the owner if he/she is a cochlidon
15-11-2006 15:43 by jonie	if so buy it
15-11-2006 15:43 by OLD MAN	so your saying these are worth more than a zebra plec?
15-11-2006 15:44 by jonie	some replys have gone?
15-11-2006 15:44 by OLD MAN	why has half of the thread gone?
15-11-2006 15:44 by jonie	ay?
15-11-2006 15:44 by jonie	id say so
15-11-2006 15:45 by OLD MAN	yer
15-11-2006 15:45 by jonie	ay dont get that?
15-11-2006 15:45 by jonie	???? yes they are worth more than zebra plecs i think in the near future zebra plecs will go down in price
15-11-2006 15:46 by OLD MAN	£50 for what?
15-11-2006 15:46 by OLD MAN	i personaly dont think they will, they seem to be going up stil.
15-11-2006 15:46 by jonie	to £50 or so
15-11-2006 15:47 by jonie	zebras in the future say 2010
15-11-2006 15:47 by OLD MAN	i can get em for £70 now
15-11-2006 15:48 by OLD MAN	put em ebay tho and ya talkin 150/200quid
15-11-2006 15:48 by jonie	thats ebay lol
15-11-2006 15:49 by jonie	see old you can get them cheaper now!
15-11-2006 15:50 by OLD MAN	yer only because ino the bloke who sells em.
15-11-2006 15:51 by jonie	oooooh fair enuff
15-11-2006 16:55 by PaddyD	blue eyes are rare because I believe there was a chemical spill in the area they were collected and I think it is a risky area anyway so getting there to find out is a problem. They used to be very common in the early 90's and were not stupid perices (£40 or so) But they just disapeared. Then a few were imported around 200, but were problematic from what I here. Since then occasionally one comes up for sale. Prices asked are often about £1000, but most dont sell at that, I would have thought a fair price would be in the £300 range. But I heard that one did go for a grand on ebay. The problem is it is just single fish, and £1000 is a lot to pay for an unbreedable fish, that you might not get a mate for.
15-11-2006 16:58 by PaddyD	This one has been for sale for a long time actually. I suppose he is just waiting for the right person who wants it bad enough.
15-11-2006 21:11 by OLD MAN	PADDYD IS THIS THE ONLY PLECO WITH BLUE EYES? IF SO INO WHERE THERE IS ONE V V CHEEP, I NEVER NEW IT WAS WORTH OWT.
16-11-2006 08:37 by PaddyD	There are only a couple of blue eye plecs - I would be interested in knowing where this one is lurking! The only other one I know of the top of my head is Hyposyomus sp. 6 (I think) a reddish species.
16-11-2006 11:24 by OLD MAN	I DEFO100% NO WERE THERE IS A PLEC WITH BLUE EYES. ARE THEY ALL WORTH£££???
16-11-2006 12:12 by Drop_out	Blue_eyes are rare becuase in order to get hold of them you have to go deep into guerilla territory...and I aint talking about the monkeys either....and yes expect to pay about a grand a piece for them. I can get zebs free lol...
16-11-2006 12:14 by OLD MAN	il buy a zebra off you?
16-11-2006 12:17 by Drop_out	I didn't say I sold'em for free lol! They come to me for free (sort of) cos I breed'em.
16-11-2006 12:18 by OLD MAN	yer i buy 1 off you, how much you want for 1?
16-11-2006 12:21 by Drop_out	not quite that easy I'm afraid. Most zeb breeders have a waiting list due to the high demand, I have one also which I'm happy to put you on...won't be till next year though at the moment.
16-11-2006 12:21 by Drop_out	oh yeah...80 quid.
16-11-2006 12:22 by OLD MAN	i can get em for £60sooo read this thread
16-11-2006 12:23 by OLD MAN	put sum pics up if you got sum breeidng zebras, im sure ppl will love too see em.
16-11-2006 12:25 by PaddyD	Nope as I said there are a couple of species with blue eyes. but none are common. Only the Blue Eye Plec (Panaque cochliodon - usually called Panaque Suttoni/suttonorum Incorrectly) Is worth serious cash as far as I know (I have not seen the others for sale) It is truly unique and easy to identify being a typical panaque shape and having a greyish black body and really striking blue eyes. It is possible there is a cheap one about as I would have thought the only specimens about are long term captives and the owner and the shop might not be aware that they have a high value. Do you know what they are selling it as.
16-11-2006 12:26 by Drop_out	There you go, these are a couple of months old. I've had another couple of spawns since then so probably around 50 odd young now. http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22757
16-11-2006 12:30 by OLD MAN	they were selling it as a common plec as far as ino, the only reason i remember it mate is because my girl friend pointed it out by saying o look this one has blue eyes (you no what girls are like) i didnt think nothing of it at the time. as i was more interestid in looking for a pair of uarus. this was only about 2weeks ago as well when i was looking for a pair of uarus.
16-11-2006 12:31 by Drop_out	where was it being sold?!??!...I'll leave work now.
16-11-2006 12:32 by OLD MAN	i want another zebra for the one i have got.. really would like to have two or three for that matter.
16-11-2006 12:33 by OLD MAN	im near alton towers, there is an old house called "heath house" there is a bloke who sells fish in the basment of there.
16-11-2006 12:34 by OLD MAN	im near alton towers, there is an old house called "heath house" there is a bloke who sells fish in the basment of there.
16-11-2006 12:35 by OLD MAN	having said he was selling it as a common plec, he wanted 60quid or sumit for it so he could not have bin.
16-11-2006 12:38 by Drop_out	depends if he thinks that's what a large common goes for...which they don't. but 60 quid is still sod'all for a blue-eye.
16-11-2006 12:42 by OLD MAN	mate il be totaly honest, i didnt think any thing of it. infact i thort it was a ugly thing and when he said he wanted 60quid for what i thort was a deformed plec i just walked away from it. totaly forgot about it till yesterday when it was brought up on here.
16-11-2006 12:42 by PaddyD	Well I would check it out if i were you, if it matches the pic, go for it!
16-11-2006 12:44 by OLD MAN	yer prob is mate i dont have anywere to put it. it ant goin in my discus tank. the only place i have for it is in with a very nasy oscar!
16-11-2006 12:44 by OLD MAN	yer prob is mate i dont have anywere to put it. it ant goin in my discus tank. the only place i have for it is in with a very nasy oscar!
16-11-2006 12:45 by OLD MAN	il go back and have a look at it, it is only 15mins down the road. the tank it was in was half full of gravel (no joke) and the water was very dirty. that is all i can tell you.
16-11-2006 12:46 by Drop_out	well I'll see what i can find out...I'm not really near alton towers but if I get confirmation it is a blue eye I'll definitly go for it...and if it is you can have 3 zebs old man for free lol! of course there is a possibility it's due to something else. I knew someone trying to sell a zeb earlier this year with blue eyes for 16,000 dollars...turns out it was due to cataracts from over dosing meds.
16-11-2006 12:48 by OLD MAN	im more into dawarf plecs like zebs and bulldog plecs ect. i thort it was one ugly son of a gun and my girlfriend just thort it was cute.
16-11-2006 12:51 by OLD MAN	the bloke selling these fish is an old man even older than this old man . he rents the basment of this very very old mansion and sells fish in there. the tanks are very dirty it stinks and is just proper like a horrer film down there. but every now and agin he has some unreal fish in. he also sells stuff like cardinal tetras ect cheeper than anywere else.
16-11-2006 12:55 by OLD MAN	Let's save a timewarp Marcus Binney argues that Heath House should remain in family hands HEATH HOUSE in Staffordshire is a perfect and enchanting example of the Picturesque style, Britain’s one unassailably original contribution to the arts of Europe. Begun in 1836, a year before Victoria came to the throne, and completed four years later, it is on the border between Regency and Victorian. The gardens are good enough to be by the great Humphry Repton himself and its architect might be the prolific and talented William Burn. In fact, it is entirely the work of local architects from the cathedral town of Lichfield. Like a sleeping beauty the house has remained almost magically untouched. Country Life gave it the full treatment in 1963 but black and white photographs cannot convey the glint of finely polished gilt picture frames, the freshness of original wallpapers and colour schemes, the light flooding through the large windows, the glorious fresh green of the park grass and hundreds of fine Staffordshire oaks (England’s best), and the abundance of pretty roses in the sunken garden. It’s true that the local Hollington stone is rather grey, but like all English building stone it glows in the sun. For anyone in search of a gentleman’s residence on an impressive but not overwhelming scale, Heath House comes with all the trimmings. There are three entrance lodges, one presumably by John Shaw, who exhibited a design for a lodge here at the Royal Academy in 1816. The style of the house is Jacobethan, almost gingerbread in its exuberance, with bay windows, a tower and turrets, gables and gablets, spiky finials and a forest of soaring octagonal chimneys, all in the same well-preserved local Hollington stone. The architect of the house, Thomas Johnson, had a highly inventive line in battlements. These are sharp and pointed over the double-height bay windows, while the miniature gables on the parapet are like upside-down valances or pelmets. As with much Picturesque architecture there is symmetry and asymmetry. In the best Repton manner the house is bedded in the landscape by a podium of formal terraces. The conservatory, by Thomas Trubshaw, is a delight — with arched French windows and hipped glass roof. It overlooks a formal rose garden with edgings of box surrounded by elevated balustrades. The iron and glass roof of the conservatory has just been restored with the help of an English Heritage grant and the roof vents are ingeniously opened by wire pulleys. One of the comforts insisted on by 19th-century country house owners was a covered porch where carriages could drop off visitors. At Heath the underside reveals the stone in its original pale barley colour. A short flight of steps lends ceremony to the arrival through the welcoming glazed doors favoured by the Victorians. Further glazed doors provide a view through to a grand and lofty staircase hall. The staircase is an imperial one with a single flight branching into two and continuing to form a first-floor gallery with newel posts as massive as ships’ cannon. All through the main ground-floor rooms there are pretty plaster ceilings with interlacing ribs, ornate pierced friezes and splendid Gothic fireplaces. A charming feature is the linking of library and drawing room through broad folding doors, with facing mirrors over the fireplaces providing an infinity reflection. The gilt wallpaper in the drawing room is stunning. The tall mullion windows descend from the lofty cornice to a low dado rail, with cushioned seats filling each bay. As in many early Victorian houses the service wing is huge. Intriguingly there are three generations of kitchens and sculleries. The quality of construction is consistent throughout, with brick-arched ceilings, massive masonry walls, stout oak-grained doorways and extensive cellars. The bedrooms’ appeal is that there are exceptional views on all four sides. Heath House comes with 127 acres of parkland and a long vista across pristine pastoral country to the south. The estate has been in the Philips family for four centuries. It remains in a timewarp partly because Mrs Philips lived here to the grand age of 93. Her son has made heroic efforts to continue, opening the house and gardens to the public in the summer and making a big effort to generate the capital needed for repairs. A carefully prepared scheme of enabling development was rejected by Staffordshire Moorlands District Council, and now the sale of the house will be followed by an auction of contents. Yet as long ago as 1971 Mark Girouard, doyen of country house historians, recognised the completeness of its interiors with furniture collections and wallpapers. Since then one government minister after another has preached on the theme that the best people to maintain such houses are the families that built them and continue to live in them. The sale of Heath House is a tragedy that English Heritage and the local council should now work night and day to avoid. Heath House is for sale for £4 million

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