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| Posted | ANTIRED (BEWARE) |
| 04-02-2007 11:03 by tank busters |
HI IF ANYONE IS SETTING UP A MARINE TANK AND HAVE RED LINE ALGAE . DO NOT BY ANTIRED HAS I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD IT IS POSION TO FISH IT HAS WIPED OUT ALL MY MARINES AND IT HAS BEEN TOLD THAT IT IS NOT TO BE SOLD FOR MARINE HAS IT CONTAINS A POLYSTYNE BASE WHICH IS HARMFULL . IF ANYONE HAS VIEWS FEEL FREE TO RESPOND THANKS |
| 04-02-2007 11:03 by tank busters |
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| 04-02-2007 11:42 by saz |
Wow kev! was this antired recommended to you |
| 04-02-2007 11:48 by tank busters |
yes
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| 04-02-2007 11:49 by tank busters |
now i have i fish which looks like has not even an hour left
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| 04-02-2007 11:49 by saz |
If it was an lfs id go in there and give em what for  |
| 04-02-2007 11:49 by tank busters |
i have been told that it is dangerous |
| 04-02-2007 11:50 by tank busters |
my wife has and she is waiting for a phone call to see what they will do |
| 04-02-2007 11:52 by saz |
if it was lfs cause a stink and get them to reimburse you for what you,ve lost |
| 04-02-2007 11:52 by tank busters |
thats easy said than done lol
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| 04-02-2007 11:55 by saz |
If its their fault theyve got to do something about it, its down to their incompetance that you are in this situation |
| 04-02-2007 12:07 by Linda Chenapa |
found this on a web site
Eliminates red slime algae in a saltwater aquarium Antired will successfully eliminate red slime algae in marine aquaria. Antired is safe for invertebrates, is not harmful to nitrifying bacteria and promotes the growth of higher algae. The protein skimmer must be left in operation but any carbon  |
| 04-02-2007 12:08 by Linda Chenapa |
...and this
Aqua Medic Antired The Antired is available at Swell UK and is great at eliminating red slime algae in saltwater aquariums. ANTIRED will successfully eliminate red slime algae in salt water aquarium. ANTIRED is safe with invertebrates, is not harmful to nitrifying bacteria, and promotes the growth of higher algae. The protein skimmer must be running and carbon filtration discontinued during the treatment. Dead and dying algae must be removed mechanically |
| 04-02-2007 12:08 by Linda Chenapa |
Who told you?
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| 04-02-2007 12:11 by stevebrillo |
how can thay sell this stuff..when thay say its safe ,,must be someone else who has used this ? |
| 04-02-2007 12:13 by Linda Chenapa |
All the info I can find on it says it IS safe to use, did you leave your protrin skimmer running? |
| 04-02-2007 12:13 by stevebrillo |
sorry to hear m8 |
| 04-02-2007 12:33 by robert.pope |
this is a shame ........to loose your fish through medication .......good luck TB keep us updated ! |
| 04-02-2007 14:16 by paul stevens |
Sorry to hear that kev...
And no kev left hes skimmer of. |
| 04-02-2007 15:09 by tank busters |
well all now gonna just concentrate on live rock now it is just gutting to see fish die he hasnt had any luck lately hopefully it will be ok |
| 04-02-2007 15:19 by paul stevens |
He should of stuck with the malawis they were doing well in that tank. |
| 04-02-2007 15:19 by Linda Chenapa |
Skimmer needs to be ON |
| 04-02-2007 15:22 by paul stevens |
But the skimmer will take all the meds you have put in will it not.
I dont no alot about marines as you know. |
| 04-02-2007 15:27 by Linda Chenapa |
Only going by the info on the bottle |
| 04-02-2007 15:28 by Linda Chenapa |
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*The protein skimmer must be running and carbon filtration discontinued during the treatment* |
| 04-02-2007 15:29 by paul stevens |
I think i will pass on this convo now and let someone like trik or wayne say there bit... |
| 04-02-2007 16:03 by stevebrillo |
i cant see that its says its fish safe? |
| 04-02-2007 16:26 by convicts |
red slime algae is not uncommon for a newly setup tank , i NEVER use any chemicals in my marine espically just ones for cosmetic purposes, everyone that has a marine tank at some point (espically in the first 3 months)gets red or green algae it normally starts with red then brown then green , its going to happen , even lindas had it or will get it in her new tanks , the algae is caused by a mixture of things new water with lots of minerals in , high nitrate from live rock and fish load and phospate , its just a stage you have to go through , kev if you need a hand with it and a bit of info im only down the road ,come pick me up and im sure i can help you get it right, just look at mine
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| 04-02-2007 16:32 by stevebrillo |
yes i know that pic nice one |
| 04-02-2007 17:08 by paul stevens |
Oi convicts aint that waynes pic your using there... |
| 04-02-2007 17:14 by trik |
ditto what convicts said , it seems to me kev that you may have not read the bottle correctly and over dosed, contact convicts he is close to you and will help out im sure. |
| 04-02-2007 18:34 by tank busters |
convict can u pm me cheers |
| 04-02-2007 18:40 by convicts |
pm sent with number
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| 05-02-2007 08:53 by tank busters |
well aquick note there all dead and i am not silly linda it contains poly something which is a poison to the fish .....and that was told by a professional my wife is on amission now to make them pay lol and i didnt overdose the fish im 32 not 15 lol |
| 05-02-2007 11:39 by saz |
Good for her kev, i hope she gives em hell |
| 05-02-2007 18:09 by robert.pope |
name and shame the shop who sold you the medication ......good luck in getting compensation TB! |
| 05-02-2007 18:27 by tank busters |
swallow aqautics rayliegh |
| 05-02-2007 18:30 by Linda Chenapa |
I never said you were silly Does it tell you the ingredients on the box/bottle?
So far (touch wood) I have not had a problem with this Cyanobacteria. Here is some info for future reference. http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/microalgae/a/aa092800.htm |
| 05-02-2007 19:04 by tank busters |
no it contains ammonia which is deadley to tank fish . |
| 05-02-2007 19:43 by convicts |
linda algae problems are not IF but WHEN you mark my words and by how quick you set that new tank up and how much stock youve got already . TICK TICK TICK , goes the time bomb |
| 05-02-2007 20:48 by Linda Chenapa |
Which new tank, I've got 2 new marine. From what I have read, lack of water movement and poor water quality, are the main causes of slime algae. The slime algae "consumes" nitrates. Treatments are all well and good but you must get to the bottom of what has caused it, this goes for any problem. For example, headache - take tablet - get rid of cause = send kids to a neighbour!!
When using ANTIRED the skimmer MUST BE ON, paul says you had yours off, was he right? |
| 06-02-2007 09:42 by tank busters |
skimmer was on and after talking to the shop were i got treatment from they contacted aqua medic and they said they have herd of this happening twice before.they now have a sample of water and 2 dead fish to look at and say oh yeagh they r dead. |
| 06-02-2007 10:32 by Alan |
If a reef is set up with cured live rock and the water turnover is adequate even without a skimmer you should not get any unpleasant algae unless the live rock is not cured properly.
When I stripped my reef down I set it up with live rock high water turnover and a DSB with algae scrubber and I have never had a dodgy algae bloom the only time I have had problems is when using artificial filtration methods. tankbuster sorry to hear about your disaster don't give up filter over carbon for a while that should remove the anti red. Also post full tank spec and I will see what advice I can give to avoid this happening again. Its heart breaking when this happens I've had it happen to me. |
| 06-02-2007 11:13 by tank busters |
tank is 6x2x2 v2800skimmer 2 seio powerheads and 3 802 power heads 13 kilo of live rock which i add to weekly and 40 kilo of live sand and t5s and a aqua pro 4 with seachem phosphate remover and alfa grog. |
| 06-02-2007 11:59 by Alan |
I would shelve the alfagrog this will cause a nitrate problem in the long term.
Live rock needs to be upped to about 80 kilos. I would get if you can afford too as this is expensive but vital. 20 kilos of cured live rock every month until you have 73 kilos of live rock that will be sufficient. Also make sure the water turnover rate is equal to at least 20 times the total tank volume per hour. With a tank this size I would consider doubling this to 40 times per hour. stm sell a pump very similar to the seio called marea very cheap go on www.stm-shop.co.uk and look under marine and then wave. You can also take a look at their live rock under the marine section. This is fantastic stuff whcih I whole heartedly recommend I have about 35 kilos of the stuff in my reef take a look at my intro and you will see the rock available from stm the stuff on the right was added last weekend. there are 5 pieces totalling 5.5 kilos. This rock is very light for live rock so you get a lot for your money. As you have no fish I would suggest getting the inverts side of things up to spped run the tank fishless for 8 weeks this will insure there are no fish pathogens in the tank. In this time start stocking invertebrates and feed accordingly you will find that you will not suffer the usual algae problems if you do this and if you do suffer it will not be severe and will last just a few days. Make sure there are course sponges over the 802 powerheads that will prevent organisms getting sucked into them and will also filter out the water marginally. This will enable a huge zooplankton population to build up in the tank. During this time you will need to start stocking grazers ultimately I would expect you will need a couple of sea urchins to keep pink coralline algae under control this can become a pest as it prevents the action of the live rock. I would go for snails over hermits so about 40 cerith snails 40 nassarus snails and 80 turbos. You will also get a proliferation of bristle worms some are a problem but 99.99999% are not and do a fantastic job of turning sdand over as do the cerith and nas snails yiou cannot keep hermits with these though as the hermit will eat them. I imagine after this you are going to want to keep it simple so I would add easy corals such as button polyps mushroom anemonies finger corals leather corals and the like nothing challenging nothing over demanding on the light front as you have T5's incidentally how many T5's do you have 4 should be sufficient. If you were originally going fish only I would seriously consider shelving the idea it is actually easier to keep a simple reef now than it is to keep fish only. Get a reef right and nitrate will always be negligable. Simple fish to consider would be a shoal of green chromis clown fish go for tank bred foxface more resilient to white spot than a tang I would only keep a tang if you have a quarantine tank and are prepared to quarantine all fish. Centropyge species you may get away with 2 fish in a tank this size. Avoid damsels they are so-ds. Also consider cardinal fish you could in fact go for a larger angelfish in this set up a plankton feeder such as the lamarcks would be ideal these don't bother corals. You could also add numerous gobies I have found a display with lots of small fish far more enjoyable than a display of a few big fish. These are a few thing to think about though hope it helps. |
| 19-02-2007 07:32 by Linda Chenapa |
How's it going? |
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