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Posted	Discus with Angels
03-03-2007 17:09 by Kribman	i know it is sometimes debted, but how do you al think that some discus will do with angels in a 55 gal. planted tank?
03-03-2007 17:12 by Bogwoodbruce	Yeah don't see why not, you could always go for some Altum angels, if you can find some.
03-03-2007 17:27 by Woz	Iv had discus with angels in the past, got along fine in a planted 30gallon tank
03-03-2007 18:40 by telboy	id say yes,but a lotta folk say no,as there's a disease that angels can pass onto discus which theyre not immune to
03-03-2007 20:13 by Elmo	I have 2 koi angels with my discus in a 50 gallon tank (planted) and they are fine. The only problem you will get is if they pair up angels can be very nasty
03-03-2007 21:09 by JOHANSWAN	the angels and discus swim together in the amazone saw it on national geographic and thats in nature so you ok i had 7 discus and 6 angels together in a rio300 with no problems
03-03-2007 22:38 by annesdiscus	just check that the angles are not wild ones and that they are tanks breed .wild angles do carry a disease or worm that will harm discus:o
04-03-2007 10:02 by Phill Austen	I dont think the transfer of parasites argument is no longer sound as we have very effective anthelmintics for fish (Flubenol)I think the issue is more to do with fish that can compete with each other for food, the Discus tend to get bullied (but this is also down to the attitude of individual fish) I would qualify Bruce's reccomendation of Altums by suggesting that they are potentially large fish, and problematic in small groups. (the tank is not large enough to house six or more Altum and a number of Discus.
04-03-2007 10:35 by ChensDiscus	My personal opinion is not to mix angels with discus fish. Angels(especially wild) carry disease which can effect discus easily and be very careful of adding "altum angels" alngwith discus as I know a few of my customers tank being wiped out, both altums and discus. I have at the same time seen home-bred angels in discus tank. At the end of the day it is down to proper quarantine and confidence of your fish. Angels are easy and cheap to replace while discus are not. Phill, Flubenol is only used for treating fish for worms and parasite and not other diseases.
04-03-2007 11:18 by Phill Austen	Hello Chen, is the disease problem that you have found in mixing Angels and discus linked to flaggelates or bacterial issues? or something else?
05-03-2007 15:09 by ChensDiscus	Phill, they are usually bacterial and skin infections rather than flaggelates. This is caused mainly due to cross contamination and an explosion of hamrful bacteria in the water. The fish start clamping their fins and group in the corner of the tank and start shedding slime from their body.
05-03-2007 15:18 by Alan	Chen don't think that we are ganging up were not and I don't want this to be taken the wrong way. In all the time I have kept fish 20 plus years I have always found clamped fins and shedding of slime to be related to some form of parasite infestation normally invisible to the eye that I have always cleared using a malachite formalin mix. The shedding of slime is normally a reaction of fish trying to shed off the parasites and in tern this over production of mucus can cause fish to suffocate hence the addition of salt being common when fish show such stress as it aids the removal of slime (don't add salt to a discus tank). I haven't kept discus before as I have never had an appropriate set up so they may be slightly different but in general terms clamped fins and mucus are always a sign of parasites in my experience.
05-03-2007 15:19 by Alan	As far as mixing Angels and discus I have heard it is a bad idea for disease reasons as the angels can and often carry a disease the discus have no immunity to however I am surprised by the comments that it is the wild not the tank breds that are the problem as it is normally tank bred fish that carry disease whilst being unaffected themselves.
05-03-2007 15:29 by Alan	Chen I would be interested on you views regarding keeping Discus with freshwater rays. Picky for illustrative purposes courtesy of this website. http://www.freshwaterstingray.nl/Frames%20Engels/English.html
06-03-2007 12:29 by ChensDiscus	alan, I initially though it was parasite, but when i visited malaysia and spoke to my breeder, he had told me that it is protozoans that affect the fish. Also, I was told that the fish try to shed the slime as they get affected by the protozoans. I have never kept stingrays with discus, but have been told that should not be a problem as I know one of my friend in edinburgh having both these in the same tan. I did contemplate on having sting rays alongwith my discus, but had to give it up as I heard it is very difficult to get the wilds to feed initially,
08-03-2007 10:19 by Alan	Rays are fairly simple to get to feed. First food you offer are small live earthworms hold them close to the edge of the rays disc with tongs the rays find the live worms iresistable. Once they are happily taking worms from tongs and pouncing ont he tongs even when there is no food in them try offering different foods and away you go. Once they are off the live food they will happily feed all day long.
08-03-2007 10:22 by Alan	Of note is the fact protozoans are microscopic parasites not bacterial or viral. Plug it into google and you will see. They are far smaller than the usual parasites such as ich.
09-03-2007 18:31 by robh	i have kept angels with discus and had no problems they say that angels carysome thing in there gut and can pass it on but discus carry the same parasite they could pass that on to ur angels
09-03-2007 18:58 by paul stevens
09-03-2007 19:06 by paul stevens	Although most wont recommend discus and angles together for the reasons you said, many people do, do it successfully just by quarantine and treating fish before they go into the main tank (good practice and good husbandry) I would always recommend a good clean, as old setups can harbour lots of waste in the gravel and under decor etc. Buy doing a good clean and water change you would ensure the water is as clean as possible before you discus arrive, minimizing the stress. Also find out the water parameters of your supplier and try to match them this will minimize stress.

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