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Posted	White Spot.....Please HELP:(
06-06-2007 16:32 by reef keeper	I have noticed that a couple of my fish have developed white spot. There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice and was just wondering if you any of you guys have cured it and what methods you have used. I have a reef tank with inverts so i have to be a bit carefull about what products i use. I was told to use Oodinex or Parazoryne but Oodinex seems to be getting a lot of negative reviews. please help before they all perish Thanks
06-06-2007 16:33 by tank busters	i used odinox,it worked on some fish but not the others,try freshwater dip.
06-06-2007 17:05 by PaddyD	What fish is it on? also, any idea what triggered it off?
06-06-2007 17:28 by reef keeper	It is on one of my clowns and my midas goby....I had to rearrange my reef a little as some of my coral was getting to large, this is the only thing i can think of that has stressed them out
06-06-2007 17:45 by PaddyD	I don't like traeting marine tanks. I also don't like F/w dips particularly as I feel that sort of stress can't really help when trying yo cure disease. If you can remove the fish I would recomend quaranteening them in a seperate tank with lower salinity, for 2 or 3 weeks This is usualy very successful. then releae back to the tank.
06-06-2007 17:49 by JP	As paddy say's FW dips and potions will probally do more harm than good. As long as they are all eating and otherwise healthy then i would just leave them, You could try some garlic added to the food.
06-06-2007 18:00 by trik	this is how a friend of mine sorted his white spot out. Just to let people no,whats worked for me.added a regal tang to my reef system.fish got bullied and stressed so got the dreaded white spot.passed on to my yellow tang and gramma,clowns and bi colour angel showed no effects.copper medication not being a option (inverts) and no quarentine tank available,and every time the net went in the fish dived for cover.not wanting to strip all my live rock and corals out of the system.i tried the following with excellent results.upped the temp from 75 to 82 over a 24hr period,for 5 days.blitzed all the fishes flake food and algea sheets in Xtreme garlic from kent fresh/marine.(i added more than the dose says on the bottle more like 4 drops per cup of water instead of 2 as recommended.)left food to soak for half an hour in garlic then added to system.the fish beat the infection.and we all no how difficult it can be to rid tangs of dreaded white spot.im not saying it will work for everybody but its done the trick for me. website of Xtreme garlic is www.kentmarine.com.
06-06-2007 19:51 by reef keeper	thanks for your help....seems like the garlic is the way to go. I've heard quite a few peope say that this works
06-06-2007 23:40 by big cats	bl**dy love this forum? never heard of treating fish with garlic(dont keep marines)but i do keep naked catfish and they dont like chemical treatments much....bl**dy garlic, love it?
07-06-2007 12:17 by PaddyD	Garlics is a fairly commonly used for both marines and tropicals, not always as a cure but often as a standard additive. But it is only fairly recentley that manufacturers have started to put it in foods. It is particulary good againts several species of internal worms.
07-06-2007 13:19 by Alan	By far though the best option is to remove the fish to quarantine and treat the fish in quarantine with a non reef safe remedy. Leave the fish in quarantine for 8 weeks and have the reef running fishless this will iradicate the parasite in the reef tank as the parasite will not be able to complete their cycle which is normally about 6 weeks. This will give you a truly parasite free reef tank. After the 8 weeks of running fish free you can add those fish that are free from parasites and have been for at least a week back to the tank. To avoid putting the non reef safe remedy into the main tank put the fish into a plastic container and drip feed from the main tank into the plastic container once the salinities have equalised you can net the fish out of the container and place them straight into the main reef tank and dispose of the water in the container. I had to do this as reef safe remedies started to take their tole on the corals and aspecially my echinoderms I wish I had done it in the first place the 8 weeks fish free will do some amazing things to your reef too it will fill up with zooplankton beautifully the fish when they go back will have a field day. This is my opinion based on personal experience I lost a large number of fish when this happened I will not stock a tang ever again as I do nt want to risk a coral beauty I have had for about 5 or 6 years. Stunning little fat fish he is I have become quite attached to the little blighter.
07-06-2007 14:05 by reef keeper	Thanks for your help Alan but I dont have access to a quarantine tank so i think i will just have to hope for the best. I have up'd the tempreture and started to lower salinty aswell as using Oodinex.......I guess i will have to pray that this works
07-06-2007 15:24 by Alan	Don't lower salinity in a reef I tried this and it decimated my corals in days. Also upping the temperature will cause the corals to bleach and will be harmful to the tank the best course of action as you will not be able to alter either parameters enough to be harmful to the parasites without harming the reef is to maintain a good hardness and ph and exceptional water quality. By all means try the oodinex but do not alter the tank parameters you will strss the fish further in a situation where you won't be able to kill the parasites using the stress parameters you are opting to change. The fish will simply succumb more quickly. The tank does not need to be huge for short term do you run any sponges in your main tank? If so simply remove one of these from the main tank and use it with a strong powerhead such as a maxijext 1200 to provide the filtration in the quarantine tank it will already be matured. You do not need to light the quarantine tank just a heater and filter. You have recently stripped the tank down so doing it again will do no more harm so strip it down to catch the fish and relaocate before you strip it down take aquarium water from the reef to fill the quarantine tank. You could set up a quarantine tank with about £30 it does not need to be set up permanently but I will say this no equipment from the quarantine tank could ever go near the reef tank. Once you have the fish relocated you can reduce the salinity over a few days this will up the oxygen content of the water and destress the fish slightly. At this point once the fish are settled treat with an appropriate remedy in the quarantine tank. Also monitor water quality carefully and carry out regular partial water changes of the same salinity daily if necessary to keep the water spot on in the quarantine tank. While this is going on do all the aquascaping in the reef you want but make surte it runs fishless for at least 8 weeks. This method works I have tried all methods and only found this one to work in a reef 100%. In the long run it will be cheaper to set up a small quarantine tank 15 gallons would be sufficient for the 3 fish but do yuou have others if so list them all. As far as decor in the tank minimal a couple of pieces of ocean rock would suffice. I'm talking from experience with the above and I had to do the quarantine method before losing all of my fish I still lost some after quarantine including a pair of tomato clowns that were spawning every month a fridmani basslet a mandarin and a powder blue surgeon. The last tang I will ever keep! I also run a uv on my tankl now just to keep things at bay you could add one of these it would help reduce the background pathogen level in fact people have had success eradicating white spot from reefs using these. I personally consider it a must although it will effect biodiversity.
07-06-2007 16:08 by reef keeper	Ok Alan i will try and source a small tank to set up a quarantine. I have a spare heater but i don't have sponges in my reef and only have a lager spare external filter....will this be ok? also will the fish be ok with out no source of lighting for 8 weeks, seems like a long time?
08-06-2007 08:40 by Alan	You need to somehow get some mature filter out of the reef this will instantly mature the quarantine tank. What filters do you use on the reef if any? Fish will be fine with out the light lights are only there for the benefit of us and corals.
08-06-2007 08:50 by Alan	The spare external would probably be good. If you have no sponges you could remove some of the substrate and use that as a filter but this will only work if the grain size isn't to small you may have to put it in a mesh bag in the filter. Of note setting up a quarantine tank like this has its risks but its a balance really do you leave the fish in the reef and try to treat there which could devastate the tank and result in complete wipe out. Do you leave it and hope the fish will fight off the parasites themselves which does sometimes happen but it will leave whitespot ticking over and if anything new is added or there is a stress factor you will get spot again (I suspect this is the situation you had which has led to this outbreak) or do you risk relocating all the fish into quarantine. I would say on the first to options the fish have no chance but on the last option at least there is a chance of success. providing you can get that filter to be mature from the get go. Perhaps you could have a chat with your LFS and see whether they could provide you with some mature media for the marine quarantine tank? It is getting the filter mature that will be the key to success. I would also suggest you run an air stone on the quarantine tank this will help drive off CO2 and maximise oxygen levels I wouldn't opt for a wooden air block though bubbles are to fine and there could be problems go for a conventional stone it only has to last 8 weeks and it should do that with no problem and go for the largest quarantine tank you can. Tell the other half its temporary and vital it worked for me when I had to set up 2 10 gallon tanks in the lounge for a couple of months. Sadly I still lost some fish the spot was just to far gone. At least with the quarantine if you do lose all the fish which to be honest is a risk the reef will be intact. Just remember the reef must be run fishless for at least 8 weeks.
08-06-2007 18:21 by Linda Chenapa	I use a UVS, this breaks the cycle, which is what you must do to 'cure' WS. Much less stress on the fish which is a contributing factor in out breaks of WS.
11-06-2007 09:44 by Alan	A UVS is good if you can gaurantee that all the water will go through the UVS before the sterilised water re-enters the tank. A UVS will keep spot under control but will not totally eradicate it from the system what it will do though is reduce the population minimising its impact while the spot reproduces from a smaller and smaller gene pool until such time as the parasite is no longer genetically viable through in breeding and it will become extinct in your set up. This does work but it takes time do you fish have this long? I would suggest adding a uv sterilizer to your set up as a prevantative measure but it is not a quick cure and it is unlikely to be quick enough to rescue your fish.

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