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| Posted | Nitrate and Discus |
| 19-07-2007 20:33 by robert.pope |
ok does anyone know what nitrate level discus are safe with ?
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| 19-07-2007 20:37 by robert.pope |
my test is as follows
Ph between 6.5 and 7 (nearer 7) Amonia 0.1 mg/litre nitrite 0 mg/litre Nitrate 25-50 temperature 29c/82f TDS is 144 ppm |
| 19-07-2007 20:38 by robert.pope |
im bringing the nitrate down with ro water with added minerals
the discus i will be collecting soon is aprox 3 inches in size thanks all rob. |
| 19-07-2007 21:36 by Cichlid Fury |
robert it also depends on what the fish is "used" to or if its a new fish, this would include discus despite peoples perceptions that discus are some kind of "superfish" that can only thrive in absolutely perfect conditions, this is nonsense and with the exception of wild caught discus, my view and experience with them is they are more tolerant than people give them credit for (in terms of hardness, pH and nitrate) if all other levels are spot on and all care is top notch i think even 50mg of nitrate will not be significant. I'd be more worried about the 0.1mg of ammonia than 50mg nitrate although test kits can be unrelaible what are you using? |
| 19-07-2007 21:56 by netty d |
as i said in chat.....nitrate is not a problem unless it turns into nitrite, which is highly toxic to any fish. If your filters are mature, don't worry, if there not, a 10% water change daily should be fine till they are. And that aint as much water as you might think. |
| 19-07-2007 21:57 by Cichlid Fury |
whatever you do dont follow this i saw on the "chat"
netty d: right am bored, no ones typing, night x netty d: nitrate isn't harmful til it turns into nitrite netty d: dunno, nitrate aint a prob, tis the end product....nitrite that you worry about thats complete tosh, nitrite is not the end product. nitrate does not turn into nitrite although the person is right in that nitrite os more dangerous but god only knows where she learnt about the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate cycle |
| 19-07-2007 22:03 by netty d |
just the bell i was waiting for.....lol, always one, and usually the same one, well done m8  |
| 19-07-2007 22:05 by robert.pope |
thanks C Fury
tests were interpet tablet ones and i said the 0.1 ammonia as it was the lowest on the scale .....im not to worried about the ammonia as it was only just showing ....its a well matured tank with full bacteria in filter |
| 19-07-2007 22:05 by netty d |
what the *** is it with this site ????? i'm all for constructive critisism, but just seems anyone i try to help....am wrong ?.......lmao, And how you know i'm a she ? |
| 19-07-2007 22:10 by netty d |
and please refrain from copy and pasting my chat......thankyou |
| 19-07-2007 22:15 by Cichlid Fury |
ok mate but the tablets are even less reliable than liquid tests in my experience, also if your pH if 7 or less the ammonia wont be "toxic" to the fish at that low level anyway |
| 19-07-2007 22:18 by netty d |
also if your pH if 7 or less the ammonia wont be "toxic" .......wtf has your PH got to do with ammonia ?......am i going to learn something tonight ? |
| 19-07-2007 22:19 by robert.pope |
cheers C Fury
im ok on the nitrite/nitrate cycle concidder yourself told off Netty D |
| 19-07-2007 22:20 by netty d |
am more confused than ever rob ???? |
| 19-07-2007 22:23 by Cichlid Fury |
netty D
perhaps start doing some basic research and learn something instead of shooting off your mouth Ammonia is in a "non toxic" form if the pH is 7.0 or under, basically the higher the pH is above 7.0 the more toxic the ammonia is. GOOGLE ??? Netty D, why dont you go and research some "basic" stuff instead of interupting threads with your verbal drivel |
| 19-07-2007 22:27 by netty d |
basic research ????...i have over 40 tanks and over 11 species, and never lost a fish ? |
| 19-07-2007 22:29 by netty d |
p.s my 11 yr old uses google for her homework  |
| 19-07-2007 22:29 by robert.pope |
netty it is in a scale .....if you test water the ammonia level is on a chart along with the tank temperature and the ph
right quoted from test card a maximum recommended ammonia level (mg/l) for a 25 degree C water sample with a ph of 8 max ammonia levle is 0.4mg/l at ph of 7 it is as much as 3.6mg/l |
| 19-07-2007 22:33 by Cichlid Fury |
is that the right way round Robert? Ammonia should be higher at the pH of 8.0 i think? |
| 19-07-2007 22:33 by netty d |
ammonia is from fish waste.....nothing to do with nitrite/nitrate.... tap water has ammonia, and if your suvvern, it may be higher than up north |
| 19-07-2007 22:34 by netty d |
sorry i meant nothin to do with PH
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| 19-07-2007 22:37 by robert.pope |
Ok netty all i can see is you mixed up the nitrite and nitrate ........got them wrong way around
chill all  |
| 19-07-2007 22:38 by netty d |
yeah rob, take the advise..... |
| 19-07-2007 22:41 by Cichlid Fury |
netty d get with the program here love!
there is a link between Ammonia and pH. let me ask you this netty d you have x2 tanks, TANK 1 one has a pH of 6.7 and TANK 2 has a pH of 7.8 ammonia readings for both tanks are 0.2mg/l What tank has the biggest problem for the fish? |
| 19-07-2007 22:41 by robert.pope |
yeh i have that right and re read my maximum levle figures
in other words ph at 7 has a levle of 3.6 mg a litre before its harmfull the sample at 8 ph only has a 0.4 mg a litre |
| 19-07-2007 22:43 by telboy |
punch up time again |
| 19-07-2007 22:43 by Cichlid Fury |
ok, gotcha, so it basically stresses the higher your pH the more problematic ammonia is, thats what i am trying to teach netty d Robert its not personal against the girl just trying to educate her in this. |
| 19-07-2007 22:45 by netty d |
CF, my readings are ok, and i still say ammonia has fook all to do with PH. Ammonia is waste ie, sh1t, so were does the theory of PH and ammonia come in ? am i banned now webbie ?..... |
| 19-07-2007 22:46 by netty d |
tel am sick of it love, everytime i put summat on ????? hmmmm |
| 19-07-2007 22:48 by Cichlid Fury |
you not banned until i say so Netty D!!
Lets calm this thing the "fook" down!! There is a RELATIONSHIP between the IMPACT ammonia has on fish depending on the PH and you didnt answer my question |
| 19-07-2007 22:49 by robert.pope |
ok please leave out the insults and debate this like adults
did i tell you im taking water sample to local fish shop saturday before i collect my new fish .....if they say no good then they will lookafter my fish till i fix my water acordingly
i have a good relation with the shop .....i will save my questions about gh/kh and total hardness for a while  |
| 19-07-2007 22:49 by netty d |
ohhhhh i didn't answer your question ?????? what was the question jimson ?
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| 19-07-2007 22:51 by netty d |
or should i call you wayne ???? |
| 19-07-2007 22:52 by robert.pope |
i guess the more alcaline the water the more harmfull it is to fish
my figures were taken from my test kit by interpet |
| 19-07-2007 22:53 by Cichlid Fury |
youve lost me netty D i will cut and paste the question just for you love although with your IQ it might push you a bit
let me ask you this netty d you have x2 tanks, TANK 1 one has a pH of 6.7 and TANK 2 has a pH of 7.8 ammonia readings for both tanks are 0.2mg/l What tank has the biggest problem for the fish? |
| 19-07-2007 22:53 by netty d |
rob, if your filters matured, don't worry
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| 19-07-2007 22:55 by netty d |
CF, i have a mensa cetificate and i am not rising to you, night....you are the weekest link.....gooobye |
| 19-07-2007 22:58 by robert.pope |
netty it is in relation to temperature also .....
a water sample ph 6.5 at 5 degrees C can have a 50 mg/l ammonia to be harmfull a sample at same ph but with a temp at 25 degrees C would only have a 11.1 mg/l to be harmfull the colder the waterthe higher the ammonia can be before its harmfull confused now???? |
| 19-07-2007 23:02 by robert.pope |
goodnight netty my friend !
men-sa certifficate .......what size tank do you have to keep one of them in ????
thanks for all the input on my thread........usualy i only get 4 replys max |
| 19-07-2007 23:03 by Cichlid Fury |
i am the "weekest link" and "gooobye" how much have you had to drink Netty D?
sorry Robert, this thread went weird, but there was an interesting debate on ammonia nonetheless |
| 19-07-2007 23:08 by Cichlid Fury |
19-07-2007
22:51 by netty d or should i call you wayne ???? you can call me anything you like babes |
| 19-07-2007 23:13 by robert.pope |
cichlid no need to apologise
its a good debate .....and i know netty d well we need more like this one as it gets people researching their stuff |
| 19-07-2007 23:15 by Cichlid Fury |
it does and i think Netty D probably researching right now |
| 20-07-2007 02:15 by kathgoody |
HI
I HAVE KEPT DISCUS FOR 15 YEARS,AMMONIA IS MORE TOXIX AT PH 7.5 AND OVER .BUT IT IS STILL TOXIC AT 7 AND UNDER ESPECIALLY FOR THE YOUNGER DISCUS AS I HAVE SEEN MY YOUNG DISCUS FLICK AGAINST PLANTS ETC AND BREATH MORE RAPIDLY WITH A PH OF 6.also it is true that discus are not the wimps that a lot of people suggest ,i had a juvenile discus in one of my tanks that did not eat for days and hid all the time when my ammonia levels went up to 8 with a ph of 7.2 due to the power cuts we had which killed off the bacteria ,still with ammonia of 4 it is now eating and looking well but still rubbing against plants,but i do not worry myself to bits as i know with regular water changes they will be fine..As for nitrates discus do not like higher levels on a prolonged basis and for the younger discus it stunts there growth,so for young ones it is best to keep it under 50,and here is some advice for netty,ammonia turns into a more toxix nitrite and then into nitrate. |
| 20-07-2007 07:30 by netty d |
Yeah, sorry Kath, i know this realy.....i just throw in one now and again to hunt the saddoes out who sit and watch chat and never type anything. Never fails, there always rood instead of pointing out the facts and putting people straight. Why do some people sink to insults rather than just debating ? This is a site to ask for help and advice and i'm sorry, but as of late, i see no point at all in posting threads, because, as i have pointed out, I was wrong ? i didn't get put straight.....i just got insults. |
| 20-07-2007 11:18 by telboy |
ooooooh matron,nay,nay+ thrice nay. ere shut ya face |
| 20-07-2007 11:27 by keith t |
CF has come out with some sound advice there, Netty instead of thinking your right all the time take a step back and listen to what others say and research it yourself if you think it rubbish.
I personally think you have totally showed yourself up with the lack of knowledge and the flippant comments you put forward. And you have 40 tanks and never lost a fish, with that statement and your knowledge i now know you are full of IT  |
| 20-07-2007 14:33 by netty d |
Right, am posting this appology, because i am not a bad person (quite the opposite) Yes robert, i got nitrite and nitrate mixed up. And yes cichlid fury was absoloutly right. I have some personal stuff happening in my life at the moment and had one too many tins to drown my sorrows (not a good move)And keith, believe what you want.....although i didn't mention the discus i lost recently (memory lapse) I did get banned for this item and have explained to webbie who has kindly let me back on so i can at least admit i was wrong and appologise. Thanks again webbie and see you guys around as i am taking a break till my s.o.h re appears  |
| 20-07-2007 16:11 by robert.pope |
DONT STAY AWAY TO LONG NETTY....
ALL THE BEST |
| 20-07-2007 23:22 by sonia |
confessions of a Netty D |
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