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| Posted | Bugs in discus tank |
| 11-09-2007 13:09 by Lnrak |
I have a 3 ft, 18 inch deep tank with 2 young discus in it. I have just noticed little tiny white bugs crawling around on the inside of the glass. There are absolutely loads of them!! Is this normal with a discus tank, or does this mean that they need worming - or is it much worse than this?? They are very very tiny bugs, only just visible really, but look like long thin white things. When I say long, I mean in proportion to their size. There are literally only a millimeter or two long. Nothing has been added to this tank, there are no plants in this tank, just a sponge filter and an internal filter. Water conditions spot on, 29 degrees and 6.5 ph. Any ideas anyone? Thanks. |
| 11-09-2007 15:02 by Lnrak |
Just wormed the tank anyway - turned off the internal power filter just left sponge filter on. How long before I can turn the filter back on?? |
| 11-09-2007 15:34 by Nick G |
Probably a silly question, but do you have floating plants in the tank and do the bugs jump/sit on the water surface? |
| 11-09-2007 15:42 by Lnrak |
No - as I say there are no plants in it, and nothing new has been added - I'm thinking the fish wormer will kill whatever it is - when I say thinking I also mean HOPING  |
| 11-09-2007 16:26 by Ray |
Hi,they sound like planaria,there are many different types,they are usually harmless,just pay attention to wiping the inside glass, my bare tanks often had these,i think they are always present just more noticable in a bare tank,why have you turned the internal off? the bacteria in it will die very quickly,if it has been off for a long time wash it in tank water then start it up again.If the worms are at the top edge drop the water down and wipe with a sponge,this gets rid of loads. |
| 11-09-2007 16:37 by Lnrak |
I turned the filter off as it has got active carbon in it, and I thought that it would take out all the wormer I had just put in. I still have the double Huey Hung air filter running. Maybe I'm wrong - not really sure, but I thought that I would turn it off for a while and let the fish get the full benefit of the medicine without it going through the carbon in the filter. The tank is bare apart from the filters and a couple of terracotta plant pots. Filter has been off for about 2 hours now, but still in the water. |
| 11-09-2007 16:38 by Lnrak |
Fish look brilliantly healthy too - no problems with them, so perhaps they are a harmless bug? |
| 11-09-2007 16:47 by -Rob C- |
Agree with Ray, sounds like planaria - totally harmless. |
| 11-09-2007 17:26 by robert.pope |
Larak i would if posable remove the carbon from the filter and still keep it running as ray sugested........that way you dont get problems with the dead bacteria
i would expect the wormer to kill them off |
| 11-09-2007 17:43 by Lnrak |
yes I could remove the carbon - good idea thanks for that |
| 11-09-2007 17:59 by Lnrak |
anyone know where "planaria" comes from? As I say - nothing added to the tank and no plants?? |
| 11-09-2007 19:35 by robert.pope |
im not sure about where they come from Lnrak!
how are you finding the discus keeping? i bought 2 around the time you were looking at getting some. had mine for a couple of months now and find them very relaxing to watch. what sort did you get? |
| 11-09-2007 19:55 by Lnrak |
It's going well - seem to be very healthy, eating very well, but still quite shy, although seem to be getting more used to their new home. I think that's 'cos there's only 2 in such a big tank, but I am hoping to get another 4 very soon and that should hopefully cure their shyness. I bought 2 x 3 inch white diamonds from Chen's, be about 4 weeks ago now. Lovely little fish. I wanted a breeding pair, but thought it best to buy young and learn about them whilst growing them up. So far no probs - was just a bit concerned about the bugs. How are yours doing? |
| 11-09-2007 20:59 by robert.pope |
i bought from a quality local shop to me Prices as 2in+,i probably payed a high price yet worked out about the same if i had to drive long distance to select fish or pay delivery
the fish were over the 3 in size and show no signs of shyness..recently i had one fish go off his foodand passing white jelly feces!!! so i wormed them this never helped the fish gain his apatite and after asking on 3 visits to the shop i bought them from to no result. I emailed a discus advertiser on this forum and they recomended treatment. Instantly hi regained his intrest in food and is on the mend this is a photo of them when i first bought them  |
| 11-09-2007 21:14 by Lnrak |
Very nice fish m8 . I met Francis (chens discus) on the motorway, so didn't cost me delivery great little fish. you learn by experience. If it happens again, you'll know what's wrong!! |
| 11-09-2007 21:22 by robert.pope |
cool i wish i lived closer to the M1......looking at chens fish prices they are very reasnable
i payed 29.99 for the top fish and 34.99 for the bottom  but ha-ho they were only in a fish bag for 15 minutes! |
| 11-09-2007 21:32 by Lnrak |
that's true - mine were in the bag all day, as I picked them up at 9pm, on his way back home....long time I suppose, but they're fine. But you have to look at it from the point of view that in the first place they probably came over from Thailand or somewhere similar packed in a box, on an aeroplane for god only knows how many hours - so a trip in a van would probably seem like a walk in the park in comparison!!! But I must admit, I was a bit concerned about it myself, but are fine. I only paid £12 each for them - I have looked at many websites and in many shops, and would reccommend Chen's for both prices and fish quality, if you can meet him free of charge that's even better.... |
| 11-09-2007 21:38 by robert.pope |
yes you have a great bargin ! so will your next 4 fish also be white diamonds?.....i see hes on his way up on the 15th |
| 11-09-2007 22:14 by Elmo |
The bugs you are on about are bristle worms and are harmless, they are a sign of waste and food left in the tank, this isnt as bad as it sounds but these are where they come from, are they very eel like and swim through the water like an eel or snake?? just clean the uneaten food and waste more often, sometimes it can get trapped where you cant see it, but it isnt a big problem, Small tetras love feeding on them, even the very small ones |
| 11-09-2007 22:22 by telboy |
i thought bristle worms were marine elmo? |
| 11-09-2007 22:40 by Lnrak |
Thanks for the advice just glad they are harmless!!! No - If I do buy these four fish, then I can only meet him on the way up, as the evening isn't practical for me this month. If I get them this month, it's a red melon, a yellow-white, a pigeon blood and a brilliant turq. Hoping to grow them all up and get a pair - unless they all turn out to be boys, then that would be a different story!! |
| 11-09-2007 22:41 by Lnrak |
couldn't be coping with a pair of gay fish! |
| 11-09-2007 22:44 by Lnrak |
they actually do look like tiny eels - and I mean tiny!!! I bet the biggest one is only 1.5 millimetres, if that!! |
| 11-09-2007 22:50 by robert.pope |
so your after a mixed pair then. would be intresting to see a website where it shows what fish can be produced from crossing the colours/paterns. |
| 11-09-2007 22:52 by Lnrak |
Yeah I fancy a mixed pair. If they don't pair, then at least I will have a nice selection of discus!! |
| 11-09-2007 22:52 by robert.pope |
my 2 fish are best buddys. When the one wouldnt eat the healthy one would push him towards food and hardly left his side |
| 11-09-2007 22:53 by -Rob C- |
Planaria come from overfeeding, reducing the feeding should get rid of them, aswell as the other methods sugested. |
| 11-09-2007 22:57 by Lnrak |
Thanks for that - you learn summat new every day My two get along with no probs too. When it comes to feeding time though - it's every fish for himself!! |
| 11-09-2007 22:59 by robert.pope |
I think Lnrak wants to know how they arive in your tank????? are they microscopic and in all water ? are they in the food? how do they get into the tank? |
| 11-09-2007 23:07 by Ray |
hello again,I must admit I have never seen bristle worms in freshwater,some more info on that would be interesting.Can I make a suggestion,put some silver sand in the tank,a few bits of bogwood some cardinals and plants,this will make a better enviroment for your fish and be much nicer to look at,I feel the only time to use a bare tank is for breeding. |
| 11-09-2007 23:12 by Lnrak |
Being nice to look at isn't really an issue, as the tank is in my shed/fish-house with 3 other tanks. I do agree though, the fish would probably be happier with plants etc. Maybe I will add some soon. Thanks for the advice. Might get a couple of potted plants though, dont really want any substrate in it. It's easier to clean/syphon out the waste with no substrate. Any plant suggestions or are any potted varieties ok? |
| 11-09-2007 23:54 by robert.pope |
a couple of plants will help keep Nitrate down a little......how about getting something like java fern or abunus(spelling) and atatch it to bogwood with fishing line......no need for subtrate and u can lift them around
I found some great plant feed sticks they have like gravel inside that are black tubes with holes in and a point on one end and flat on the other ! they are designed to push into gravel but i found them great for the roots to atatch to on the bogwood. tie these on out of fight and tie the plant roots to them. i think haggen make them |
| 11-09-2007 23:55 by robert.pope |
sight not fight  |
| 12-09-2007 07:57 by Lnrak |
Ta buddy |
| 12-09-2007 12:16 by Ray |
I grow amazon sword in lime free gravel in old fish food pots |
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