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Posted	easier
17-11-2007 18:50 by Big Rob	which are easier to keep trops or coldwater fish and why
17-11-2007 19:03 by Woz	depends what type of coldwater and what type of trops
17-11-2007 19:11 by Linda Chenapa	You don't keep FISH, you keep WATER. The larger the volume of water you can keep, the better, as it will be more forgiving if you do have a problem. That said, cold water fish produce more waste than tropical, so realy I feel it is up to the individual. As long as the fish are kept correctly, ther should be no difference.
17-11-2007 19:12 by dave the wath	Its a long time since I kept either, but coldwater tend to be "dirtier" than trops, therefore need more filtration or cleaning. Trop community tank can be very "pretty" and relaxing and there is always the possibilty that fish may breed, something that never happened in my coldwater tanks, only the pond. Either requires commitment and care, both have advantages and disadvantages. Like many things you pays yer money yer make yer choice.
17-11-2007 19:18 by Woz	i personally wouldnt ever keep coldwater fish anymore, if i have a tank spare its easy enough to put a heater in it and have a tropical tank instead of coldwater, coldwater fish just dont do anything for me in tanks, ive got a pond for them where there much better off
17-11-2007 19:24 by Big Rob	this topic is to advise any new begginers
17-11-2007 19:30 by Fry Lover	i am not convinced about "you dont keep fish you keep water" because you have to consider how fish behave with each other (aggro) and also the feeding routine. You "keep" fish AND water But we "keep" water more than we realise. In answer to the question Coldwater
17-11-2007 19:39 by Big Rob	why cold lex
17-11-2007 19:59 by telboy	i take it this is on behalf of TONK rob? i dont get the keep water thing,if that was the case why filters etc, a bucket in the garden would do eh?i think theyre as easy/hard as each other,most folk when talking of coldwater fish mean goldfish/fancies! but look around theres 100s of diff coldwater fish, fresh + marine,and as for coldies making more mess,anyone seen a pihrana eating or even oscars + other big cichlids...like ive said both as easy/hard as each other,make ya choice + do the best ya can for the fish
17-11-2007 20:04 by Linda Chenapa	tel - if you don't keep the water right then you can't keep fish in it. It doesn't matter what the feeding habits are or how the fish behave if the water isn't right.
17-11-2007 20:07 by big cats	the ability to keep water correctly is no guarantee of your ability to keep fish, i agree it is essential however there is more to keeping fish than water, there is more to keeping a dog than feeding it???
17-11-2007 20:22 by Fry Lover	true Linda, but we keep fish AND water, and to say we dont keep fish, we keep water is in correct in my humble opinion, but i know where your coming from So if our water quality is perfect we can keep a Male Siamese Fighter with a group of tiger barbs can we? If our water is perfect we can feed Mbuna Malawi blood worm? Think Not
17-11-2007 20:27 by Fry Lover	to get to the point again We keep BOTH fish and water Case Closed, Telboy agree's dont you? and Big Cats?
17-11-2007 20:40 by telboy	red tonight lex?
17-11-2007 20:41 by Fry Lover	Vodka but only had a tiny bit, gonna watch Fantastic Four, Rise of the Silver Surfer on DVD with my boy.
17-11-2007 22:32 by Linda Chenapa	Case not yet closed Only an idiot would keep a Male Siamese Fighter with a group of tiger barbs! First and foremost we keep water then we keep and care (hopefully correctly) fish.
17-11-2007 23:03 by Nick G	And there dus answer the question. Next..
17-11-2007 23:09 by Fry Lover	case open again Linda
17-11-2007 23:17 by Nick G	You are both right and you have both agreed with each other. Water is importand as well as the actual fish that you are keeping. So is the food, lighting for the plants (if kept), and the list is quite exhaustive if you really go in to it. But in essence, you are both right Ahmen and halelouyah!!
17-11-2007 23:34 by Tina c	hi there all, i have only ever kept coldwater fish, both comets and fancys, and boy they really do make lots of mess you do need massive filtration and spot on water. but i think that is the same for any fish, people are always telling me that tropical fish are easier, i shall soon find out im sure.
18-11-2007 04:54 by Big Rob	iused to keep water in a glass but it used to shrink over the months till one day when i checked it there it was gone ??????????
18-11-2007 06:41 by Nick G	I used to have a pair of glasses
18-11-2007 09:20 by Phill Austen	surely, cold water fish are far more varied and interesting than the variations on the goldfish. Having said that, anybody who keeps goldfish well (and I don't mean simply keeping them alive) should be able to keep anything.
18-11-2007 10:49 by tonk	hello this is a great very helpful website can i thank all members for your help/advice i am learning something new all the time thank you
18-11-2007 10:53 by tonk	i have added some pics now thanks
18-11-2007 10:58 by tonk	not very clear you cant really see the fish i have 4 goldfish 2 moors 2 fancies 2 shubunkins 5 minnows
18-11-2007 11:11 by tonk	thanks
18-11-2007 11:20 by tonk	i seem to be getting the tank & water/cycle/fitler/pumps under control now thanks to your help but now i purchased my fish from the same shop (i will not use my petshop now i know to buy from a good fish retailer)know the same lady at the shop where i brought all my fish from know tells me i should not keep my goldfish with my other fish is this true i cannot believe this i have become attacted to my fish and do not want to get rid of any of them i thought this fish i have are all community fish what kind of other coldwater community fish can i add safely with these fish my tank is 5 foot long 3 foot deep and 3 foot wide holds about 1276 litres and help thank you
18-11-2007 13:07 by Tina c	the fish you have mentioned apart from the minnows are all goldfish they are just different varieties. the moors and the fancies are fan tails and the goldfish are comets and along with the shubunkins are single tail. because you have quite a large tank they should be ok together just keep an eye at feeding time and make sure the fan tails are getting food. and that the goldfish are not hasseling them. also what size fish are they? if the comets are quite large they might see the minnows as food! i would not get any more fish than you have the goldfish can grow to 12" plus and the fan tails to 8" plus. what type of filter do you have? goldfish do produce massive amounts of waste and do need lots of filtering.
18-11-2007 13:32 by Big Rob	fan tails n oranda n ryukin r slower moving thats why u make sure theyre eating
18-11-2007 13:44 by Tina c	thanks Rob i should have explained why lol
18-11-2007 13:48 by Big Rob	u r welcome
18-11-2007 15:59 by tonk	thank you they all seems to be feeding ok and getting on ok they have been in the tank together now for about five days so the goldfish (which are about 3 inches)are ok with the moors and fancies but you think they will eat the minnows the fitler stytem is in the tank at the side it is in a separate compartment it is three glass compartments that suck the watse through then it goes into another compartment that has lots of sponges and a brick then two pumps this tank before me was used for marine fish so i am hopeing to change the filter sytetem update it to a new one does anyone know a good fitler for me to buy is it ok to put catfish in thank you for your help
18-11-2007 16:02 by tonk	p.s how often do i do a part water change and how much % do i need to do thanks
18-11-2007 17:17 by telboy	hello tonk welcome to the forum,the situation you are in id do 20% weekly till ya get things sorted matey
18-11-2007 17:39 by Big Rob	and when cleaning filters use only tank water not tap
18-11-2007 17:49 by naiad	Hi tonk, what kind of catfish do you mean? Small corys, small plecos and similar are a very bad idea, because the goldfish may try to eat them and the spines stick in the goldfish's mouth, sometimes causing the death of both fish.
18-11-2007 17:52 by Big Rob	and these fish need heat
19-11-2007 17:50 by tonk	hello no sorry i mean stone loaches ( not sure if the spelling is correct)the fish that eat the algae etc this is my fitler stytem do members think a need to change it thanks
19-11-2007 18:50 by telboy	tonk,give us a description from top to bottom of the filter,ie mediums, pump sizes[lph],etc...is that a brick in there?
19-11-2007 23:07 by drewie	iv'e been keeping water since i was about 15 and i've kept cold water and tropical water and i prefer the look of tropical water

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