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15-02-2008 18:03 by Josh1604	Hey guys sorry for all the new post i am just trying to get some problem out of the way with my fairly new tank. The water in my home town is not one of high quality and it is what i have to use to do water chages in my tank. I put water in there and treat it for very basic water ph and not matter how many time i put chemicals in it seems to go right back up it seems to be very resistant to ph changes and this is not very good for the plants i am trying to grow. I know you can not use distilled water is there anything i can do?
15-02-2008 18:16 by Dominic	collect rainwater in a butt!!
15-02-2008 18:55 by -Rob C-	Try using RO water, I don't have much knowledge on this but I know some others do.
15-02-2008 19:08 by Fry Lover	Hi Josh When you say the water in your home town is not "high quality" what do you mean exactly? Have you tested the water? What's wrong with it? Where do you live by the way? I really wouldn't use chemicals to change pH, its my understanding that this basically is a temporary measure as you have found out, and it's not good for the fish. Post up your water stats (tap water and tank wise) and also post up what you are trying to achieve in terms of water stats. Also, fish list might be helpful and perhaps a plant list. We can then take it from there.
15-02-2008 20:00 by Josh1604	Well the water smells different from from other water that i drink from my home town. I live in commerce, tx. As far as i can tell the only things that are wrong with the water is that it smells funny and it seems to be resistant to ph change. I have a few molly's a gold gourami, bala shark, some platy's and a dragon fish. ph tank 7.8 ph tap 7.6 alkalinity tank300ppm(kh) alkalinity tap 20 ppm (kh) hardness tank soft hardness tap hard and i an trying to achieve a ph of around 7 or something that is more neutral so that my plants that i plant in the future can thrive
15-02-2008 20:03 by Josh1604	and what is "rainwater in a butt!!" and ro water
15-02-2008 20:05 by big cats	hi for bog standard trops just use tap water treated with a water conditioner that removes chlorine ,chloramine and heavy metals . i use a pond version cos its much better value for money, if you feel your water is not suitable then use a hma unit or a good drinking water filter for all or part of your changes, ro is extremely wasteful of water and not essential, never apologies for wanting to learn we are on this forum to help and be helped and look at nice pictures of other folks fish
15-02-2008 20:12 by big cats	sorry , just assumed you were in the uk? ro water is reverse osmosis the system strips everything out and leaves virtually pure water , then an additive is required to make the water suitable for fish (varies dependant on the fish)we collect rainwater over here ,well some people do i wouldnt use it , none of your fish will be bothered by the ph, and it will fall as the tank matures unless you have calciferous gravel or stones ,they will keep the ph high, so check your gravel and stones . water suppliers here add chlorine and chloramine to the water do they do that where you are?
15-02-2008 20:16 by Josh1604	i just have the packaged rock from the pet store i dont know if that is the type of rock you are talking about
15-02-2008 20:58 by Fry Lover	Josh, unless you are keeping fish that require a lower pH i really wouldnt bother trying to change it, but thats just me. As for plants, maybe you just not getting the right kind of plants or have the right lighting? It took me about a year to learn what plants do well for me and what lighting does best. I have a pH of about 7.8 here in London, UK and the water is quite hard, but if you saw the piccy of my planted tank, you'd be suprised about what can be achieved with decent lighting, the right selection of plants and a small bit of fertiliser. I dont use Co2.
15-02-2008 21:01 by telboy	josh, for the fish you are keeping id recommend going to a garden centre + buying a few big river pebbles, or if you have a river close by maybe you could take a few from there but make sure you clean them well! are you using different water for your tank other than tap? if so why?we need to know what substrate you are using,also what decor ie wood stones any ornaments you may have in the tank as i told you on pm these can affect water parameters
15-02-2008 21:07 by telboy	by the way josh your "dragon fish/violet goby" is a brackish water fish,mollies + platties can be kept in brackish but gourami + balas cant, it seems you have made a boo boo on the types of fish you are keeping together in that tank
15-02-2008 21:47 by Josh1604	no i am using water from the tap and i am just using the painted rocks that you can get from any pet store or a place like wal mart. Most of the ornimates look to be made of siramic i believe. thanks
15-02-2008 23:10 by telboy	when you say painted rocks, do you mean coloured gravel ie the substrate that goes on the bottom of ya tank
15-02-2008 23:56 by Josh1604	yes sir that is what i am talking about sorry for the lack of termonology on my part i am pretty new at this thanks for the help
16-02-2008 00:06 by telboy	tell me josh, does ya water look cloudy atall especially when you disturb the gravel,it maybe the colour/paint on the gravel is coming off + upsetting ya paramaters,coloured/painted gravel is slightley frowned on, you should use natural pea gravel, just needs a rinse and away ya go,or sand kiddies playpit sand is cheaper than aquarium sand + is just as good, as for the gravel needs a rinse
16-02-2008 00:18 by Dominic	screw bothering with ph for plants, unless you work for tropica i wouldnt bother.i only worry to much about ph for my fish, i have just learned what plants like my conditions over time. i use rainwater for my water changed due to it being 100% natural.
16-02-2008 00:36 by Josh1604	i do not notice the water being cloudy when i mess with the gravel i believe that i am going to go get some sand today even though it is not very suitable for plants i think i will try to something more suitable for plants when my tank settles down plus the sand would be good for the dragon fish Thanks for the help i just just hopeing to get some plants because it like them alot better that the decorations thanks so much guys you have been a big help
16-02-2008 00:39 by -Rob C-	Sand will be good for your plants, infact it'll probably be better than the 'painted rocks'.

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